DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

Bill, you're an Adobe ACP, and obviously very knowledgeable. I have about 2.4 TB of photo files. Adobe says on their site that they offer 2 TB and 5 TB plans, but they don't mention the cost, as far as I can see. If I wanted 5 TB of cloud storage, Photoshop, and all Lightroom flavors, what would that cost me per month?

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

Universe, at least many parts of it. (LR Classic, LR Cloud, Photoshop, LR on Android phone, LR on Android tablet, Portfolio, LR on the Web and Bridge)

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

I think I fooled them about the knowledgeable part.

The advertised charge per extra TB is $9.99. There is a hint of a discount for 3 or 5 TB, but it does not seem to be published.

I'm admittedly a fan of Lightroom CC (cloud) but I'm not sure I would commit a 2.4 TB collection to it. Parts, yes. But not the whole thing.

DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

Bill, you've obviously gained a mastery of the LR universe that enables you to do some interesting things. I've been using LR (Classic) for about seven years, and am pretty competent with it, and to a lesser extent, with PS. When LR CC came out, I made a conscious decision to stick with LR Classic. My decision was based in large part on a couple things you touched on in response to my question.

The first is cost - if you're going to go all-in and use the cloud as your primary storage (which also gives some important reliability advantages), then the monthly cost is much more than I would ever care to pay. I'm admittedly not nearly as informed about LR CC (non-classic) as I am about the Classic product. I think there are some work-arounds (I think I've read about storing smart previews in the cloud, but I'm not sure about that). But, if I have to consider what to do with every photo, whether to store some in the cloud and some not, then perhaps the product is managing me, instead of the other way around.

The second factor in my decision was the fact that, if one is going to store all of his RAW files in the Adobe cloud, then a phenomenal amount of transmission time is going to be required. If you go out on a shoot and return with 1,000 RAW files, I haven't calculated how many hours that would take, but it's a lot.

Accordingly, I opted not to purse the non-Classic version of LR for my needs. As I noted above, that makes me less than fully-informed about that product, so maybe I made a bad decision.

When there is a debate, the question of the day is framed with "Resolved:". That's how I started this debate - the title on this post is the question. Do not assume I think that the answer is resolved.

Adobe's storage costs are far higher than competitors such as Dropbox, OneDrive, etc. And the lifecycle cost of backing up to two or three local drives is an order of magnitude cheaper than that. So, that brings me back to the issue your response raised - If a photographer has a very large photo collection (over 80,000 in my case), is Lightroom CC a viable alternative, or is Lightroom Classic a better alternative?

I welcome your opinion.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

"If a photographer has a very large photo collection (over 80,000 in my case), is Lightroom CC a viable alternative, or is Lightroom Classic a better alternative?"
Opinions, as they say, are worth....

I think I have about 2/3rds as many photos. I keep them on simple HDDs with HDD backups. All are cataloged in Lightroom Classic. Where I see a specific advantage to having some "in the cloud" I uses the sync tools. I'm using less than 5% of my of the 1.2 TB Adobe gives me.

(For the record and disclosure, Adobe gave me the ACP title because of help I've given to beginners in their Premiere Elements forum. It was not because of my Lightroom experience! My reward is the full cloud plan with all their cool software. This weeks new exciting tool is content aware fill object removal in video!)

Resqu2 Loc: SW Va

For what I do I use cc on my IPad Pro with the 2nd gen Apple Pencil and it’s more capable than I will ever be plus I like the mobility of my IPad and not being tied to a desk. I’m sure the desktop version is much better but for now it’s cc only.

RobertH

First, I want to thank you all for this thread, because as a CC newbie, I wasn’t sure what the difference between the two LR products was, and was going to ask the question here. For a side project I started at work, I started with classic, because I think I saw somewhere that it was for the desktop. After reading this, it’s seems I made the right choice for my current needs.

As for the product naming convention, I’d say it sucks, because I really had no idea what the difference was, so I just installed both.

So can any of you suggest any good “quick start” type resources for getting up to speed with the basics of both LR and PS? I’ve done some very basic RAW editing in Nikon’s software like adjusting exposure, WB, and color tone, but that’s about it.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

As an seasoned photographer, I can do well with either. Makes no difference.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

No debate. I agree with you.

1963mca

Classic, too often I don't have access to wifi in the field and don't use a device that works on a cell phone type data plan in order to use this "cloud" thing.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Seemingly, the sad fact is that Adobe would like to have confused everyone into switching to the new Lightroom CC (old Lightroom Mobile), so that they could deprecate and then drop what they now call Classic CC, formerly known as Lightroom CC. It appears that the naming strategy was deliberate, because no one in their right mind would have done that otherwise! If they truly wanted to perpetuate two apps, they should have re-named the old Mobile to 'Universal' or 'Global' or something.

I'm told that at least some of the folks at Adobe wanted to concentrate development on one application, rather than split it in two. I believe that smart users figured it out, and many of us haven't even loaded the new Lightroom CC at all! To quote the brilliant comedian, Eddie Murphy, "Look, man, I ain't fallin' for no banana in my tailpipe!" (movie: Beverly Hills Cop)

If Adobe wanted just one application, they should have merged the features of Mobile and the old CC together in one new application, without leaving out any functionality. Perhaps one day, they will do that, but for now, we get two different apps and a pair of learning curves for them, and a lot of frustration trying to use one for work the other was designed to do.

My contention is that I want accurate color. What's the point of editing an image "in the field" if you can't adjust it on a fully calibrated and profiled monitor? I haven't seen any workable attempts to connect a colorimeter or a spectrophotometer to a tablet or smartphone. While Apple sells devices with very decent displays, and you get "pleasing" color, out of the box, it does not exactly match ICC specs, or my printer. At least I can calibrate an iMac or a desktop monitor connected to it or to a Windows PC, and I can calibrate a desktop monitor connected to a MacBook Pro or a Windows laptop. THEN, my prints are a close match for my monitor. (Can any Android devices be calibrated and ICC profiled? I have no idea.)

So... I use Lightroom CLASSIC CC.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Debate? You mean everyone won't agree which is The Best?

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Go over to http://jkost.com and see what Julieanne Kost has been up to. She's Adobe's Principal Digital Imaging Evangelist, and one of their Master Trainers. Much of her work is free on her site, and there is more on Lynda.com. Of all the folks I've met from Adobe over the years, she has made the most sense to me. I've known her work for years, taken several seminars from her at sales meetings and conventions, and had the pleasure of introducing her at a PMAI/DIMA conference about a decade ago.

Scott Kelby (kelbyone.com) also has some decent resources, if you don't mind his writing style.

Lynda.com also has other folks' training videos.

Creative Live on YouTube is a good source of video training on Adobe apps.

PhotoshopTrainingChannel.com is another source.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

"content aware fill object removal in video" — Ooooh! I'd better go check it out. THAT's useful.

mborn Loc: Massachusetts

I agree!