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Aug 28, 2012 02:23:30   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
1.) God is God, I don't think God belongs to or has a religion

2.) I think the separation of church and state ( Lawyer talk ) or as stated "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof" Means the state will not establish a religion like THe Church of England, or Lutheran, or Roman Catholic or Baptist or Jewish or Hindu etc.
The government cannot establish a state religion or prevent you from practicing your religion.
The separation prevents the creation of a PARTNERSHIP of the government with any PARTICULAR OR SPECIFIC religion.

BUT most laws are basic and universal and often are just common sense.
i.e. You can't kill me and I can't kill you, I can't steal from you nor you from me, I can't fool around with your wife nor you with mine AND if you do you WILL be punished.

PROBLEM: WHEN THE GOVERNMENT STARTS TO TWEEK THE BASIC LAWS.

IF YOU WANT TO END THE PROBLEM WE SHOULD HAVE SEPARATION OF LAWYERS FROM GOVERNMENT!

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Aug 28, 2012 10:06:31   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
photosbysexton wrote:
Another debate entirely. The phrase "separation of church and state" was not in this document, but some, without ever reading it, have assumed it to be so. In a response to a letter from the Danbury Church Jefferson used this phrase, later questioning himself and in his personal journals writing that the first amendment was never intended to keep God out of the government, but to keep the gov't out of God. Prayer in school should have never have been banned. How does allowing the freedom of religion in school put any student at a disadvantage? You pray to your creator, whomever you believe them to be. If you choose to not believe, then please just be courteous to those that do. They will afford you the same respect in return. The Commandments removed from court houses was uncalled for. However, when the courts make their decisions, it is normally based on their interpretation of the exact words, "congress shall make no law establishing . . .", hence the law suits. In the end, if you've ever read the personal writings of Franklin or Jefferson, you will find that our founders wishes were that we practice whatever religion we choose, without worry of retribution from our gov't., ie: the King that they had just recently proclaimed their freedom.

That said; in the spirit of what I mentioned earlier in reference to your right to ignore. If you are offended when you see the Commandments in a public place, avert your eyes. It's a much easier road then getting the lawyers involved. If the Jehovah's Witness comes a knockin', say "no thanks", and close your front door. If you hear me say "so help me God" while taking an oath, or "under God" while reciting the pledge. Ignore me please. It's not really worth the busted nose for trying to stifle me. Using common sense is really the best option.

Whatever your beliefs, I will always respect them and how you communicate them is your choice, as is mine. All I ask is that you grant me the same courtesy as I would you.

On that note; we got way off the original post again, didn't we? Grrr! Sorry folks. Also please ignore my uneducated writing. Spelling should be o.k. but my grammar is probably substandard.
Another debate entirely. The phrase "separat... (show quote)

Prayer in public schools and the Ten Commandments on the courthouse wall are government-sponsored, and therein lies the objection. Government should be neutral. Some court decisions have ruled that schools can't even be used for religious events during non-school hours, and that's perhaps beyond the intent, provided those who use it pay for the use of the facilities and the janitorial and security staffs.

Pray all you want during exams, just keep it between you and God.

When the Jehovah's Witnesses show up, I call my wife and tell her, "It's for you."

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Aug 28, 2012 23:06:34   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
RMM wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
Another debate entirely. The phrase "separation of church and state" was not in this document, but some, without ever reading it, have assumed it to be so. In a response to a letter from the Danbury Church Jefferson used this phrase, later questioning himself and in his personal journals writing that the first amendment was never intended to keep God out of the government, but to keep the gov't out of God. Prayer in school should have never have been banned. How does allowing the freedom of religion in school put any student at a disadvantage? You pray to your creator, whomever you believe them to be. If you choose to not believe, then please just be courteous to those that do. They will afford you the same respect in return. The Commandments removed from court houses was uncalled for. However, when the courts make their decisions, it is normally based on their interpretation of the exact words, "congress shall make no law establishing . . .", hence the law suits. In the end, if you've ever read the personal writings of Franklin or Jefferson, you will find that our founders wishes were that we practice whatever religion we choose, without worry of retribution from our gov't., ie: the King that they had just recently proclaimed their freedom.

That said; in the spirit of what I mentioned earlier in reference to your right to ignore. If you are offended when you see the Commandments in a public place, avert your eyes. It's a much easier road then getting the lawyers involved. If the Jehovah's Witness comes a knockin', say "no thanks", and close your front door. If you hear me say "so help me God" while taking an oath, or "under God" while reciting the pledge. Ignore me please. It's not really worth the busted nose for trying to stifle me. Using common sense is really the best option.

Whatever your beliefs, I will always respect them and how you communicate them is your choice, as is mine. All I ask is that you grant me the same courtesy as I would you.

On that note; we got way off the original post again, didn't we? Grrr! Sorry folks. Also please ignore my uneducated writing. Spelling should be o.k. but my grammar is probably substandard.
Another debate entirely. The phrase "separat... (show quote)

Prayer in public schools and the Ten Commandments on the courthouse wall are government-sponsored, and therein lies the objection. Government should be neutral. Some court decisions have ruled that schools can't even be used for religious events during non-school hours, and that's perhaps beyond the intent, provided those who use it pay for the use of the facilities and the janitorial and security staffs.

Pray all you want during exams, just keep it between you and God.

When the Jehovah's Witnesses show up, I call my wife and tell her, "It's for you."
quote=photosbysexton Another debate entirely. Th... (show quote)


Funny, I had a military trained Rotweiller that I would pass them off on.

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Aug 28, 2012 23:22:08   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
I hade a girl friend who would tell her son pray if he wanted to pass a test in School.

I told him to study because God is not going to give you the answers!

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Aug 29, 2012 00:31:26   #
dtcracer
 
tschmath wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
I agree with you. If you bet your eternal life on there being a God, and your right you win. If you bet your eternal life on there being a God, and your wrong, then what do you lose? It is a win-win situation.


So believing in a God is just to make the odds better? That makes absolutely no sense. And don't you think an all-knowing God would see through that sham?


I'm sorry, where in the above statement did you conclude that the only reason I believe in God is to make the odds better? I simply stated I would rather believe in God and be wrong, than not believe in God and be wrong. It is my belief that I am not wrong, that there is a God. If anyone else does not believe in God, because they feel they are too educated to believe in such "nonsense", that is there problem, not mine. But as photosbysexton stated, the Constitution guaratees me the right to worship God, and the right to talk about my beliefs in God to anyone I choose, and the government does not have the right to interfere with that right.

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