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Feb 23, 2013 07:37:36   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
Part of the OP's story: "
I make a C+ feel like the winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor." I have been against that attitude and grading on the curve all my life. I believe it more fervently today than ever. A C is a C is a C. And making it feel like the highest honor one can achieve is instilling that mediocrity is the criteria for excellence. A deluded practice. That is one of the main contributors to the dumbing down of our society.

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Feb 23, 2013 08:46:58   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
Good one , my son's a teacher, special ed, Bob.

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Feb 23, 2013 08:58:09   #
roger allen Loc: another planet
 
no they do not - all of that crap is in your own hate filled mind - you must be so full of fear you cant see ten feet in front of you, you old relic. times have changed - dont like it here, take your gun and move - maybe to so opressed country.

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Feb 23, 2013 09:35:05   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
roger allen wrote:
no they do not - all of that crap is in your own hate filled mind - you must be so full of fear you cant see ten feet in front of you, you old relic. times have changed - dont like it here, take your gun and move - maybe to so opressed country.


Whose hate-filled mind are you criticizing? It's hard to tell when you don't reference a previous post or poster.

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Feb 23, 2013 09:47:13   #
whimsy
 
I have 5 family members who are teachers. I couldn't be prouder.

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Feb 23, 2013 10:04:35   #
JoeV Loc: Wisconsin
 
Thank You, and thank for your years of teaching. My wife taught for many years. My son is a professor. As a pastor, I teach too. So many of the really valuable things in life are intangible.

What did you teach?

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Feb 23, 2013 10:10:59   #
Squint Loc: Stockton, CA
 
BW326 wrote:
cjkorb wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Bruce I suggest you step into a classroom. What you said at the end is pure BS!
Take a look around you, Ole Sarge...Colleges certainly are teaching White Guilt to students. University of Minnesota in particular!


No, Ole Sarge is still right!

The teachers that effect most of our young people are still the elementary and high school teachers that struggle with the brunt of education's responsibilities. They are also the ones who struggle with the multiple burdens of being under-valued, over-worked, and strapped with being the parental figure when none other will stand up.

If colleges are offerring classes in "White Guilt" and the like then they are doing so as "an elective" class and the students don't have to sign up for them.

"First they came for the teachers... then they came for your books." I'd stop worrying so much about people coming for your guns and start worrying more about people trying to come after your educators.
quote=cjkorb quote=ole sarg Bruce I suggest you ... (show quote)


Well said!!

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Feb 23, 2013 10:25:33   #
Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.
 
BW326 wrote:
cjkorb wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Bruce I suggest you step into a classroom. What you said at the end is pure BS!
Take a look around you, Ole Sarge...Colleges certainly are teaching White Guilt to students. University of Minnesota in particular!


No, Ole Sarge is still right!

The teachers that effect most of our young people are still the elementary and high school teachers that struggle with the brunt of education's responsibilities. They are also the ones who struggle with the multiple burdens of being under-valued, over-worked, and strapped with being the parental figure when none other will stand up.

If colleges are offerring classes in "White Guilt" and the like then they are doing so as "an elective" class and the students don't have to sign up for them.

"First they came for the teachers... then they came for your books." I'd stop worrying so much about people coming for your guns and start worrying more about people trying to come after your educators.
quote=cjkorb quote=ole sarg Bruce I suggest you ... (show quote)
Oh...thanks for clearing that up! Just because a class is "elective" that makes it ok to teach garbage like that. Teachers that effect our young people are Elementary through High School? So your saying that a person in their late teen's knows what he or she wants to do in life? That's why college kids keep changing their Major in their second and third in college. I'm not worried about somebody coming to take my guns away (don't have any) or people coming for the teachers or my books (whatever that means). I'm just a little concerned about the moral path this Country is taking. Why have a class in college (elective or not) that teaches this Country was founded by white racists Europeans who only wanted to kill the Indians and take their land away?

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Feb 23, 2013 11:45:15   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
ole sarg wrote:
Bruce I suggest you step into a classroom. What you said at the end is pure BS!


amen!

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Feb 23, 2013 11:50:50   #
BW326 Loc: Boynton Beach, Florida
 
cjkorb wrote:
BW326 wrote:
cjkorb wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Bruce I suggest you step into a classroom. What you said at the end is pure BS!
Take a look around you, Ole Sarge...Colleges certainly are teaching White Guilt to students. University of Minnesota in particular!


No, Ole Sarge is still right!

The teachers that effect most of our young people are still the elementary and high school teachers that struggle with the brunt of education's responsibilities. They are also the ones who struggle with the multiple burdens of being under-valued, over-worked, and strapped with being the parental figure when none other will stand up.

If colleges are offerring classes in "White Guilt" and the like then they are doing so as "an elective" class and the students don't have to sign up for them.

"First they came for the teachers... then they came for your books." I'd stop worrying so much about people coming for your guns and start worrying more about people trying to come after your educators.
quote=cjkorb quote=ole sarg Bruce I suggest you ... (show quote)
Oh...thanks for clearing that up! Just because a class is "elective" that makes it ok to teach garbage like that. Teachers that effect our young people are Elementary through High School? So your saying that a person in their late teen's knows what he or she wants to do in life? That's why college kids keep changing their Major in their second and third in college. I'm not worried about somebody coming to take my guns away (don't have any) or people coming for the teachers or my books (whatever that means). I'm just a little concerned about the moral path this Country is taking. Why have a class in college (elective or not) that teaches this Country was founded by white racists Europeans who only wanted to kill the Indians and take their land away?
quote=BW326 quote=cjkorb quote=ole sarg Bruce I... (show quote)


OK, now you've made head start to hurt. I know it's a little early yet but does anyone here mind if I start drinking early?

:-D

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Feb 23, 2013 11:51:55   #
Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az
 
I don't get it. Teacher are for the most part very involved with what they do. You always have a few bad apples, no matter who, what, when, where! But to blame the teachers for the plight that is upon us now, to me is nothing but misdirection. Lets say you go to your job in the morning and the boss tells you what he wants done that day and you disagree, saying there are better ways to do it. Then you ignore him and go about doing your own thing. Will you have a job at the end of the day? HELL NO!

Teachers go to their job in the morning and they have a curriculum to follow. Their bosses - the principle, school board and all others tell them what to do. They have to follow the curriculum laid out for them. Example "no child left behind" the most rediculous thing I have ever heard! Everone is equal. BS. But it is the curriculum they must follow. When things don't work out, blame the teachers because they are in the foreground. They have poor teaching skills and that's why it didn't work out. Not the curriculum that was set up by the principle, board of education or even law makers that push this dribble upon them.

I have nothing but respect for teachers, even the bad ones becasue most likely they started with the high ideals only to be worn down by being subjected to all trap doors that is put before them.

I have learned to generally look through the smoke screens set up by those who wish to hide because of their ineptitude, and use misguidence as a way to deflect their bad behavior onto others. Its the law makers that are to blame not the teachers. Many things have changed from when I was a child and going to school. And the things that changed were done by the law makers not voluntary acts of the teachers.

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Feb 23, 2013 11:55:59   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
cjkorb wrote:
BW326 wrote:
cjkorb wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Bruce I suggest you step into a classroom. What you said at the end is pure BS!
Take a look around you, Ole Sarge...Colleges certainly are teaching White Guilt to students. University of Minnesota in particular!


No, Ole Sarge is still right!

The teachers that effect most of our young people are still the elementary and high school teachers that struggle with the brunt of education's responsibilities. They are also the ones who struggle with the multiple burdens of being under-valued, over-worked, and strapped with being the parental figure when none other will stand up.

If colleges are offerring classes in "White Guilt" and the like then they are doing so as "an elective" class and the students don't have to sign up for them.

"First they came for the teachers... then they came for your books." I'd stop worrying so much about people coming for your guns and start worrying more about people trying to come after your educators.
quote=cjkorb quote=ole sarg Bruce I suggest you ... (show quote)
Oh...thanks for clearing that up! Just because a class is "elective" that makes it ok to teach garbage like that. Teachers that effect our young people are Elementary through High School? So your saying that a person in their late teen's knows what he or she wants to do in life? That's why college kids keep changing their Major in their second and third in college. I'm not worried about somebody coming to take my guns away (don't have any) or people coming for the teachers or my books (whatever that means). I'm just a little concerned about the moral path this Country is taking. Why have a class in college (elective or not) that teaches this Country was founded by white racists Europeans who only wanted to kill the Indians and take their land away?
quote=BW326 quote=cjkorb quote=ole sarg Bruce I... (show quote)


Well, that's what they did. You cannot deny that. So what was the purpose if not to take their land at all costs and make it what a white Scot/Irish/Welsh/German wanted it to be? They also brought poor Chinese in to build dam up the western rivers to make the land suitable for settlement(but no Chinese settlements), they made the Indians wards of the state, the white wealthy planters in the South used slave labor, those in Texas used slave Mexican labor. Please. stop with the nonsense. It doesn't matter what a piece of paper says if no one follows it. "All men are created equal" is a prime example. This was said by those who OWNED people! geez, wake up! Our nation treated blacks, Mexicans, Chinese, and eastern Europeans as real or virtual slaves for generations. Today, that has all changed and we are finally realizing that the country belongs to all ethnic groups, not just northern European/English immigrants. If you cannot abide that happening, then you need to go to someplace where only your kind live.

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Feb 23, 2013 11:57:28   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
BW326 wrote:


OK, now you've made head start to hurt. I know it's a little early yet but does anyone here mind if I start drinking early?

:-D


It must be 5:00 somewhere - get started!

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Feb 23, 2013 12:00:06   #
Squint Loc: Stockton, CA
 
Ka2azman wrote:
I don't get it. Teacher are for the most part very involved with what they do. You always have a few bad apples, no matter who, what, when, where! But to blame the teachers for the plight that is upon us now, to me is nothing but misdirection. Lets say you go to your job in the morning and the boss tells you what he wants done that day and you disagree, saying there are better ways to do it. Then you ignore him and go about doing your own thing. Will you have a job at the end of the day? HELL NO!

Teachers go to their job in the morning and they have a curriculum to follow. Their bosses - the principle, school board and all others tell them what to do. They have to follow the curriculum laid out for them. Example "no child left behind" the most rediculous thing I have ever heard! Everone is equal. BS. But it is the curriculum they must follow. When things don't work out, blame the teachers because they are in the foreground. They have poor teaching skills and that's why it didn't work out. Not the curriculum that was set up by the principle, board of education or even law makers that push this dribble upon them.

I have nothing but respect for teachers, even the bad ones becasue most likely they started with the high ideals only to be worn down by being subjected to all trap doors that is put before them.

I have learned to generally look through the smoke screens set up by those who wish to hide because of their ineptitude, and use misguidence as a way to deflect their bad behavior onto others. Its the law makers that are to blame not the teachers. Many things have changed from when I was a child and going to school. And the things that changed were done by the law makers not voluntary acts of the teachers.
I don't get it. Teacher are for the most part very... (show quote)


Agree 100%. You hit the nail on the head. My wife is a middle school teacher. I could tell you stories...

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Feb 23, 2013 12:01:46   #
PrairieSeasons Loc: Red River of the North
 
Ka2azman wrote:
I don't get it. Teacher are for the most part very involved with what they do. You always have a few bad apples, no matter who, what, when, where! But to blame the teachers for the plight that is upon us now, to me is nothing but misdirection. Lets say you go to your job in the morning and the boss tells you what he wants done that day and you disagree, saying there are better ways to do it. Then you ignore him and go about doing your own thing. Will you have a job at the end of the day? HELL NO!

Teachers go to their job in the morning and they have a curriculum to follow. Their bosses - the principle, school board and all others tell them what to do. They have to follow the curriculum laid out for them. Example "no child left behind" the most rediculous thing I have ever heard! Everone is equal. BS. But it is the curriculum they must follow. When things don't work out, blame the teachers because they are in the foreground. They have poor teaching skills and that's why it didn't work out. Not the curriculum that was set up by the principle, board of education or even law makers that push this dribble upon them.

I have nothing but respect for teachers, even the bad ones becasue most likely they started with the high ideals only to be worn down by being subjected to all trap doors that is put before them.

I have learned to generally look through the smoke screens set up by those who wish to hide because of their ineptitude, and use misguidence as a way to deflect their bad behavior onto others. Its the law makers that are to blame not the teachers. Many things have changed from when I was a child and going to school. And the things that changed were done by the law makers not voluntary acts of the teachers.
I don't get it. Teacher are for the most part very... (show quote)


My better sense tells me to stay out of this one, because there are few winners to be had.

At the same time, if we focus on teachers - how good they are, how dedicated they are, how compassionate they are, what they get paid and on and on and on - we lose as a society. We need to focus on students and students' outcomes. By those measures we are already in the "also ran" category when compared to the rest of the developed nations.

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