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Feb 16, 2013 16:15:00   #
Jamers Loc: Michigan
 
singleviking wrote:
Jamers wrote:
singleviking wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/15/russia-meteorite/1921991/

Probably one of those North Korean missiles. They do seem to have problems with their guidance control. :roll:


At over 14,000 pounds and the size of a school bus, this was no meteorite. The blast wake alone from something that large passing at well over the speed of sound would do real damage to any city. I'm amazed that it didn't cause even more damage than reported. There's one area in Siberia where it looked like the wake from the Mt St. Helen's blast for hundreds of miles from a meteor that hit Russia some time in the mid 1800's or early 1900's.
Now if we could just figure out how to aim these things to hit those nuclear enrichment facilities in Iran and North Korea. Just a thought....
quote=pounder35 http://www.usatoday.com/story/new... (show quote)


Then what do you think it was?
quote=singleviking quote=pounder35 http://www.us... (show quote)


According to the International Astronomical Union, the object that recently caused havoc outside of Moscow is a METEOROID. Meteorites are typically much smaller and portions of a larger meteor that has broken into pieces when it hits the atmosphere.

From Wikipedia:
In 1961, the International Astronomical Union defined a meteoroid as "a solid object moving in interplanetary space, of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably larger than an atom".[2][3] In 1995, Beech and Steel, writing in Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society, proposed a new definition where a meteoroid would be between 100 µm and 10 meters across.[4] Following the discovery of asteroids below 10 m in size, Rubin and Grossman refined the Beech and Steel definition of meteoroid to objects between 10 µm and 1 m in diameter.[5] The smallest asteroid (based on absolute magnitude) is 2008 TS26 with an absolute magnitude of 33.2,[6] and an estimated size of 1-meter.[7] Objects smaller than meteoroids are classified as micrometeoroids and cosmic dust. The Minor Planet Center does not use the term "meteoroid"

As this recent object is larger than 1 meter in size, it may well qualify as a full fledged METEOR, but that has yet to be determined upon it's full excavation and examination.
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Thank you for your input, a meteoroid like a hemorrhoid both can cause pain. :oops:

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Feb 16, 2013 16:26:10   #
oldmalky Loc: West Midlands,England.
 
I heard about it on the morning and the reporting said the Russians had fired rockets at it and people had claimed to hear explosions but I never heard any more about that.

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Feb 16, 2013 16:28:03   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
Jamers wrote:
singleviking wrote:
Jamers wrote:
singleviking wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/15/russia-meteorite/1921991/

Probably one of those North Korean missiles. They do seem to have problems with their guidance control. :roll:


At over 14,000 pounds and the size of a school bus, this was no meteorite. The blast wake alone from something that large passing at well over the speed of sound would do real damage to any city. I'm amazed that it didn't cause even more damage than reported. There's one area in Siberia where it looked like the wake from the Mt St. Helen's blast for hundreds of miles from a meteor that hit Russia some time in the mid 1800's or early 1900's.
Now if we could just figure out how to aim these things to hit those nuclear enrichment facilities in Iran and North Korea. Just a thought....
quote=pounder35 http://www.usatoday.com/story/new... (show quote)


Then what do you think it was?
quote=singleviking quote=pounder35 http://www.us... (show quote)


According to the International Astronomical Union, the object that recently caused havoc outside of Moscow is a METEOROID. Meteorites are typically much smaller and portions of a larger meteor that has broken into pieces when it hits the atmosphere.

From Wikipedia:
In 1961, the International Astronomical Union defined a meteoroid as "a solid object moving in interplanetary space, of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and considerably larger than an atom".[2][3] In 1995, Beech and Steel, writing in Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society, proposed a new definition where a meteoroid would be between 100 µm and 10 meters across.[4] Following the discovery of asteroids below 10 m in size, Rubin and Grossman refined the Beech and Steel definition of meteoroid to objects between 10 µm and 1 m in diameter.[5] The smallest asteroid (based on absolute magnitude) is 2008 TS26 with an absolute magnitude of 33.2,[6] and an estimated size of 1-meter.[7] Objects smaller than meteoroids are classified as micrometeoroids and cosmic dust. The Minor Planet Center does not use the term "meteoroid"

As this recent object is larger than 1 meter in size, it may well qualify as a full fledged METEOR, but that has yet to be determined upon it's full excavation and examination.
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Thank you for your input, a meteoroid like a hemorrhoid both can cause pain. :oops:
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Ok...so Americans get hemorrhoids and Russians get Meteoroids. I guess the difference is in the size of the pain and the disturbance it causes. LOL.

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Feb 16, 2013 22:52:40   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
ttlthor wrote:
Perhaps we need to look at banning assualt asteroids and high capacity meteoroids. I mean, if it saves just one life...


:thumbup:

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Feb 16, 2013 23:00:13   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
singleviking wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/15/russia-meteorite/1921991/

Probably one of those North Korean missiles. They do seem to have problems with their guidance control. :roll:


At over 14,000 pounds and the size of a school bus, this was no meteorite. The blast wake alone from something that large passing at well over the speed of sound would do real damage to any city. I'm amazed that it didn't cause even more damage than reported. There's one area in Siberia where it looked like the wake from the Mt St. Helen's blast for hundreds of miles from a meteor that hit Russia some time in the mid 1800's or early 1900's.
Now if we could just figure out how to aim these things to hit those nuclear enrichment facilities in Iran and North Korea. Just a thought....
quote=pounder35 http://www.usatoday.com/story/new... (show quote)


Just a thought, I'm wondering why we haven't yet commissioned a group of nations to think about how we'd alter the course of a future mass headed for our planet. We'd better be doing something before it may be too late to change the course of an impact or to have the capabilities to break one up into smaller pieces. It's something serious to think about.
quote=singleviking quote=pounder35 http://www.us... (show quote)


It's been done. I think Bruce Willis was in the movie. Can't remember the name of the movie right now. Or maybe it was the Clint Eastwood movie. Doesn't matter because the equipment needed will be banned. I'm just glad I didn't sell my photon torpedo on ebay. Do I need to register it? :roll: :thumbup:

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Feb 17, 2013 06:39:20   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
pounder35 wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
singleviking wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/15/russia-meteorite/1921991/

Probably one of those North Korean missiles. They do seem to have problems with their guidance control. :roll:


At over 14,000 pounds and the size of a school bus, this was no meteorite. The blast wake alone from something that large passing at well over the speed of sound would do real damage to any city. I'm amazed that it didn't cause even more damage than reported. There's one area in Siberia where it looked like the wake from the Mt St. Helen's blast for hundreds of miles from a meteor that hit Russia some time in the mid 1800's or early 1900's.
Now if we could just figure out how to aim these things to hit those nuclear enrichment facilities in Iran and North Korea. Just a thought....
quote=pounder35 http://www.usatoday.com/story/new... (show quote)


Just a thought, I'm wondering why we haven't yet commissioned a group of nations to think about how we'd alter the course of a future mass headed for our planet. We'd better be doing something before it may be too late to change the course of an impact or to have the capabilities to break one up into smaller pieces. It's something serious to think about.
quote=singleviking quote=pounder35 http://www.us... (show quote)


It's been done. I think Bruce Willis was in the movie. Can't remember the name of the movie right now. Or maybe it was the Clint Eastwood movie. Doesn't matter because the equipment needed will be banned. I'm just glad I didn't sell my photon torpedo on ebay. Do I need to register it? :roll: :thumbup:
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=singleviking quote=... (show quote)


That was a fiction movie made in Hollywood. NASA and other space agencies are actually considering other means to deflect large meteors to avoid catastrophy, and it's not with wildcat drillers or aging astronauts. :thumbup:

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Feb 17, 2013 08:33:24   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
singleviking wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
singleviking wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/15/russia-meteorite/1921991/

Probably one of those North Korean missiles. They do seem to have problems with their guidance control. :roll:


At over 14,000 pounds and the size of a school bus, this was no meteorite. The blast wake alone from something that large passing at well over the speed of sound would do real damage to any city. I'm amazed that it didn't cause even more damage than reported. There's one area in Siberia where it looked like the wake from the Mt St. Helen's blast for hundreds of miles from a meteor that hit Russia some time in the mid 1800's or early 1900's.
Now if we could just figure out how to aim these things to hit those nuclear enrichment facilities in Iran and North Korea. Just a thought....
quote=pounder35 http://www.usatoday.com/story/new... (show quote)


Just a thought, I'm wondering why we haven't yet commissioned a group of nations to think about how we'd alter the course of a future mass headed for our planet. We'd better be doing something before it may be too late to change the course of an impact or to have the capabilities to break one up into smaller pieces. It's something serious to think about.
quote=singleviking quote=pounder35 http://www.us... (show quote)


It's been done. I think Bruce Willis was in the movie. Can't remember the name of the movie right now. Or maybe it was the Clint Eastwood movie. Doesn't matter because the equipment needed will be banned. I'm just glad I didn't sell my photon torpedo on ebay. Do I need to register it? :roll: :thumbup:
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=singleviking quote=... (show quote)


That was a fiction movie made in Hollywood. NASA and other space agencies are actually considering other means to deflect large meteors to avoid catastrophy, and it's not with wildcat drillers or aging astronauts. :thumbup:
quote=pounder35 quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=sin... (show quote)


But it would probably make a boring movie. :lol:

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Feb 17, 2013 23:45:12   #
photoshopmikey Loc: Boston Ma.
 
I think it was an RPG shot from the grassy knoll

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Feb 18, 2013 00:32:57   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
singleviking wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
singleviking wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/15/russia-meteorite/1921991/

Probably one of those North Korean missiles. They do seem to have problems with their guidance control. :roll:


At over 14,000 pounds and the size of a school bus, this was no meteorite. The blast wake alone from something that large passing at well over the speed of sound would do real damage to any city. I'm amazed that it didn't cause even more damage than reported. There's one area in Siberia where it looked like the wake from the Mt St. Helen's blast for hundreds of miles from a meteor that hit Russia some time in the mid 1800's or early 1900's.
Now if we could just figure out how to aim these things to hit those nuclear enrichment facilities in Iran and North Korea. Just a thought....
quote=pounder35 http://www.usatoday.com/story/new... (show quote)


Just a thought, I'm wondering why we haven't yet commissioned a group of nations to think about how we'd alter the course of a future mass headed for our planet. We'd better be doing something before it may be too late to change the course of an impact or to have the capabilities to break one up into smaller pieces. It's something serious to think about.
quote=singleviking quote=pounder35 http://www.us... (show quote)


NASA, the European Space Administration and the Russian Space Administration have pondered this problem for many years. There is presently a project that will land a robotic rover on a large asteroid and evaluate the geology and mineral structure to determine the most efficient method to either alter it's trajectory or break up the rock. There are numerous proposals on the drawing boards, but without solid data, none can be implemented, and to just shoot nuclear missiles at it would be unreliable and futile.
The best method is some form of deflection or alteration in trajectory so the object will miss the earth completely (as the second asteroid on February 15, 2013 did). This proposal utilizes well placed rocket engines mounted or fixed into the asteroid at strategic points and implements a computerized firing mechanism if the object is tumbling. Other proposals utilize solar sails or explosives but these are either too costly or not efficient or reliable as the fragments will still be on a crash course toward earth.
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It appears those idea's are light years away. It concerns my thoughts as to why no one knew of the coming of the one that came down in Russia. Can you just wonder what would have happened if it would have come do in the middle of a major city, why there would have been trmendous confusion and what not all going on.
quote=singleviking quote=Hunter Lou 1947 quote=... (show quote)


I know a city where that is the case now. This type of event could possibly put it and it's criminals out of business, at least for awhile giving us a break.

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Feb 18, 2013 01:01:33   #
TchrBill Loc: Houston, TX
 
From the HubbleSite Reference Desk:

"Most of us probably have seen meteors or shooting stars. A meteor is the flash of light that we see in the night sky when a small chunk of interplanetary debris burns up as it passes through our atmosphere. "Meteor" refers to the flash of light caused by the debris, not the debris itself.

The debris is called a meteoroid. A meteoroid is a piece of interplanetary matter that is smaller than a kilometer and frequently only millimeters in size. Most meteoroids that enter the Earth's atmosphere are so small that they vaporize completely and never reach the planet's surface.

If any part of a meteoroid survives the fall through the atmosphere and lands on Earth, it is called a meteorite. Although the vast majority of meteorites are very small, their size can range from about a fraction of a gram (the size of a pebble) to 100 kilograms (220 lbs) or more (the size of a huge, life-destroying boulder)."

So, it isn't so much the size of the object as it is the physical location of the object, that determines what it is called.

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Feb 18, 2013 01:27:11   #
TchrBill Loc: Houston, TX
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:

It appears those idea's are light years away. It concerns my thoughts as to why no one knew of the coming of the one that came down in Russia. Can you just wonder what would have happened if it would have come do in the middle of a major city, why there would have been trmendous confusion and what not all going on.


Just a nit to pick, a light year is a measure of distance, not time. As far as why we didn't see it coming, it was too small and its trajectory brought it in from the direction of the Sun.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/meteor-that-hit-russia-why-didn-t-we-see-it/article_38c07182-77da-11e2-99d6-0019bb2963f4.html

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Feb 18, 2013 05:16:05   #
Mattie
 
It could just as easily have landed in this country too... Something to be afraid of in our future.

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Feb 18, 2013 08:56:34   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
TchrBill wrote:
From the HubbleSite Reference Desk:

"Most of us probably have seen meteors or shooting stars. A meteor is the flash of light that we see in the night sky when a small chunk of interplanetary debris burns up as it passes through our atmosphere. "Meteor" refers to the flash of light caused by the debris, not the debris itself.

The debris is called a meteoroid. A meteoroid is a piece of interplanetary matter that is smaller than a kilometer and frequently only millimeters in size. Most meteoroids that enter the Earth's atmosphere are so small that they vaporize completely and never reach the planet's surface.

If any part of a meteoroid survives the fall through the atmosphere and lands on Earth, it is called a meteorite. Although the vast majority of meteorites are very small, their size can range from about a fraction of a gram (the size of a pebble) to 100 kilograms (220 lbs) or more (the size of a huge, life-destroying boulder)."

So, it isn't so much the size of the object as it is the physical location of the object, that determines what it is called.
From the HubbleSite Reference Desk: br br "M... (show quote)


Ok, enough with facts. Let's get the conspiracy theories going. They're more fun. Since the "meteor" we see is a meteoroid burning up by friction as it passes into our atmosphere why does this object light up at such a low level and explode mid-air instead of on impact as a solid piece? Looking closely at some of the photos there is a trail of smoke then it seems to ignite. I can hear the music from the X-Files in my head. :shock:

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Feb 18, 2013 11:01:50   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
pounder35 wrote:
TchrBill wrote:
From the HubbleSite Reference Desk:

"Most of us probably have seen meteors or shooting stars. A meteor is the flash of light that we see in the night sky when a small chunk of interplanetary debris burns up as it passes through our atmosphere. "Meteor" refers to the flash of light caused by the debris, not the debris itself.

The debris is called a meteoroid. A meteoroid is a piece of interplanetary matter that is smaller than a kilometer and frequently only millimeters in size. Most meteoroids that enter the Earth's atmosphere are so small that they vaporize completely and never reach the planet's surface.

If any part of a meteoroid survives the fall through the atmosphere and lands on Earth, it is called a meteorite. Although the vast majority of meteorites are very small, their size can range from about a fraction of a gram (the size of a pebble) to 100 kilograms (220 lbs) or more (the size of a huge, life-destroying boulder)."

So, it isn't so much the size of the object as it is the physical location of the object, that determines what it is called.
From the HubbleSite Reference Desk: br br "M... (show quote)


Ok, enough with facts. Let's get the conspiracy theories going. They're more fun. Since the "meteor" we see is a meteoroid burning up by friction as it passes into our atmosphere why does this object light up at such a low level and explode mid-air instead of on impact as a solid piece? Looking closely at some of the photos there is a trail of smoke then it seems to ignite. I can hear the music from the X-Files in my head. :shock:
quote=TchrBill From the HubbleSite Reference Desk... (show quote)


Scully and Fox Mulder caught the first flight to Moscow and will investigate the meteorite when it gats excavated and fully exposed.
Seriously, the object was burning up in the atmosphere and finally broke up into pieces. This thing was traveling at twice the speed of sound and even the SR-71 got hot at those speeds and expanded at every joint. Meteors are typically made of mostly iron and other metals and they expand when heated and can fracture or explode. As this one was the size of a school bus, it surely was bound to break up a little at weak points. The good videos of this event are pretty spectacular.

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