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Feb 22, 2013 10:20:30   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Drones need to be used to secure our borders...

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Feb 22, 2013 14:04:30   #
F16 Club
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
F16 Club wrote:
UP-2-IT wrote:
rcirr wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
rcirr wrote:
F16 Club wrote:
Where are those people which not like photographer take picture of them at street?

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a major step toward opening U.S. skies to thousands of unmanned drones, federal officials Thursday solicited proposals to create six drone test sites around the country.

http://www.mail.com/news/politics/1892722-faa-moves-toward-creating-6-drone-test-sites-us.html#.23140-stage-hero1-10


I have a real problem with these drones. I think not only are there security concerns but privicy is an issue. The article tells us each state and municipality will post their privicy policies? Then what? Not click accept like you do on line? Technology in general is creating a need to look at privacy issues. CCTV everywhere...websites collecting massive amounts of data......camera phones and now the government sticking it's nose into healthcare. I believe we need to take a long careful look at how privacy will be effected in the future.
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Lol ok I see what the problem is...the right to privacy you have to agree does not apply when you are out in public...but the minute the word drone is brought up...unlike airplanes and other orbital things ( that has been there forever AND taking pictures) because they are remote you think you still have the right to privacy...well you don't. IF you are outside (the only place a drone can watch you ) you still do noy have that right.

And you just had to show your true thoughts..Obama. My God get over him.
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For purposes of full disclosure, I am in the electronic security business. I do a lot of CCTV work for hospitals, schools as well as municpalities. I agree, there is no expectation of privacy in public (seems kind of obvious but some people don't get it) however...what about your back yard? Do you have to give up your right to privacy to let some light into your 2nd floor window? What if the drone has infrared capability? Maybe super sensitive listening devices? If you see a manned helicopter hovering outside your bedroom window, you might be able to figure out something was up. On the other hand, a silent drone 18 inches long would probably go unnoticed. My point is the potential for abuse by the government, government employees or even civilians that have access to the equipment is great.

As to my "true thoughts"....it took me a while to realize you were referring to my mentioning government involvement into healthcare. So it's your position I should get over him? It's not him...I could care less about Obama personally. It's the stupid law that gives the government all kinds of new powers over myself and the entire country that I have a problem with. Get over him? Get over losing more and more freedom? I don't think so. Also for your information, I agree with his use of drones overseas against terrorists. I just don't think the government should have the power to invade citizens' privacy without a warrant. My problem is with the policy...not the man.
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rc, your stressing out over imagined fears. Do you really think the Government gives a hoot security wise about us, John Q. Citizen? Now if your name is Ambar Ladidmali and you live with your 7 cousins from Pakistan they damn well better be worring about you. I honestly don't think the average citizen has any reason to worry.
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UP-2-IT and rc;
Go back to history it reapet itself, when Nazis nobody care were jews in the bonfire, then poland, then other so.
Is not matter of fear is only precaution.
I have you ever thought the gas price will be $4.99? why if nowsday the production is on top. This is more danger to american economic than terrorism.
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Sorry F-16 your post doesn't really make any sense.
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Provable doesn't really make any sense.
Perhaps is the hysteria with the cuts , Now they said it will cut its own benefict in whole Gov.

:thumbup:

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Feb 22, 2013 23:15:49   #
rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
rcirr wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
rcirr wrote:
F16 Club wrote:
Where are those people which not like photographer take picture of them at street?

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a major step toward opening U.S. skies to thousands of unmanned drones, federal officials Thursday solicited proposals to create six drone test sites around the country.

http://www.mail.com/news/politics/1892722-faa-moves-toward-creating-6-drone-test-sites-us.html#.23140-stage-hero1-10


I have a real problem with these drones. I think not only are there security concerns but privicy is an issue. The article tells us each state and municipality will post their privicy policies? Then what? Not click accept like you do on line? Technology in general is creating a need to look at privacy issues. CCTV everywhere...websites collecting massive amounts of data......camera phones and now the government sticking it's nose into healthcare. I believe we need to take a long careful look at how privacy will be effected in the future.
quote=F16 Club Where are those people which not l... (show quote)



Lol ok I see what the problem is...the right to privacy you have to agree does not apply when you are out in public...but the minute the word drone is brought up...unlike airplanes and other orbital things ( that has been there forever AND taking pictures) because they are remote you think you still have the right to privacy...well you don't. IF you are outside (the only place a drone can watch you ) you still do noy have that right.

And you just had to show your true thoughts..Obama. My God get over him.
quote=rcirr quote=F16 Club Where are those peopl... (show quote)



For purposes of full disclosure, I am in the electronic security business. I do a lot of CCTV work for hospitals, schools as well as municpalities. I agree, there is no expectation of privacy in public (seems kind of obvious but some people don't get it) however...what about your back yard? Do you have to give up your right to privacy to let some light into your 2nd floor window? What if the drone has infrared capability? Maybe super sensitive listening devices? If you see a manned helicopter hovering outside your bedroom window, you might be able to figure out something was up. On the other hand, a silent drone 18 inches long would probably go unnoticed. My point is the potential for abuse by the government, government employees or even civilians that have access to the equipment is great.

As to my "true thoughts"....it took me a while to realize you were referring to my mentioning government involvement into healthcare. So it's your position I should get over him? It's not him...I could care less about Obama personally. It's the stupid law that gives the government all kinds of new powers over myself and the entire country that I have a problem with. Get over him? Get over losing more and more freedom? I don't think so. Also for your information, I agree with his use of drones overseas against terrorists. I just don't think the government should have the power to invade citizens' privacy without a warrant. My problem is with the policy...not the man.
quote=Elfstop quote=rcirr quote=F16 Club Where ... (show quote)


rc, your stressing out over imagined fears. Do you really think the Government gives a hoot security wise about us, John Q. Citizen? Now if your name is Ambar Ladidmali and you live with your 7 cousins from Pakistan they damn well better be worring about you. I honestly don't think the average citizen has any reason to worry.
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The avaerage citizen does have something to worry about if he takes a stand against the government intruding on his liberty. The governmnet has been growing bigger and bigger and is getting involved in everything. Whether it's how to build a car, how to run a ball club or how to meet medical needs, the government is trying to run it. We are slowly losing freedoms by the day. The Supreme Court has ruled you can be compelled to buy medical insurance because they say you have to. Now they are talking about gun control....translation...how to disarm the population. Anyone who fights to control this out of control government has something to worry about!
Twenty years ago when I heard people saying this was the way the government was headed, I thought they were crazy. Now I have to admit a lot of them were right. No...I don't believe there is some sinister group of people trying to take over the world...just a bunch of misguided, ill informed do gooders who think they know better than the rest of us how to live our lives.

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Feb 22, 2013 23:19:51   #
rcirr Loc: Gilbert, Arizona
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Drones need to be used to secure our borders...


I have no problems with drones being used for specific jobs like the borders..or other places with a warrant that specifies the target and prohibits "sight seeing". I don't believe we should allow them to be used simply to patrol.

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Feb 22, 2013 23:38:50   #
F16 Club
 
rcirr wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Drones need to be used to secure our borders...


I have no problems with drones being used for specific jobs like the borders..or other places with a warrant that specifies the target and prohibits "sight seeing". I don't believe we should allow them to be used simply to patrol.


rcirr
I was not sure, but after that the Queen knighted him, anything can happen.

We forget that Cubans have the same GOVERNMENT for 52 year, and now here we have the disease.

Since we was given the most favored nation status to China, things are upside down.

:hunf: :thumbdown: :hunf:

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