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Jan 21, 2013 10:12:50   #
JohnM Loc: Springfield, Illinois
 
DavidT wrote:
That is one chunky robin. Looks like he ate a tennis ball.



pretty sure he is a she and full of eggs

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Jan 21, 2013 10:21:48   #
NOTLguy Loc: Niagara on the Lake, Ontario
 
-lois- wrote:
Oh my goodness...I'm not trying to convince ANYBODY but myself so I'm not sure why this has turned in to a debate on fairness. By the way, the paint on the post is white. I don't know where the blue tone came from. The trees weren't blue either. I understand all about RAW. I just wasn't convinced. I've taken many JPGs and had them enlarged and printed on canvas and they look great. I just liked the RAW of the robin better. The ONLY thing I would tell a photographer who had never tried RAW is, "Try it for yourself...THEN make your decision."
Oh my goodness...I'm not trying to convince ANYBOD... (show quote)


White balance

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Jan 21, 2013 10:35:51   #
-lois- Loc: Oregon
 
JohnM wrote:
DavidT wrote:
That is one chunky robin. Looks like he ate a tennis ball.



pretty sure he is a she and full of eggs


You think so? There are so many of them (round like softballs) around right now...that WOULD explain a lot!

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Jan 21, 2013 10:58:51   #
mapster Loc: Wisconsin
 
Wow! Now i also get it"... There is a real difference, my next step is to finally get to that point. Iam a real newbie to this and get a little confused with all the jargon. But this pic comparison makes me see more of what I need todo

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Jan 21, 2013 11:16:11   #
dustywing Loc: North East WI
 
What happens when there no chance to shoot again? Unless you only shoot still lifes, we all have missed a PERFECT shot.

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Jan 21, 2013 11:20:58   #
-lois- Loc: Oregon
 
dustywing wrote:
What happens when there no chance to shoot again? Unless you only shoot still lifes, we all have missed a PERFECT shot.


Yep, the one that got away...I miss them all the time. I missed the robin earlier...then she came back and posed again...but I have missed many pics while I adjusted my camera!

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Jan 21, 2013 11:22:54   #
gene58
 
Raw better by farGene Benson thank you.

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Jan 21, 2013 11:26:56   #
dfarmer Loc: St. George, Utah
 
I too have a Mac with I Photo. I haven't found any presets for I Photo. I use Aperture 3 for 99% of my photo processing.

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Jan 21, 2013 11:33:18   #
Grammieb1 Loc: New Orleans
 
Raw is definitely more forgiving & gives more opportunity to improve the look of the photo. For anything important, I always shoot raw. Bab

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Jan 21, 2013 11:58:44   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
It takes a while to learn how to process raw images to look their best, but keep practicing. I jut purchased a really good tutorial by Ben Willmore on LR4. Here's a link: http://www.creativelive.com/courses/lightroom-mastery-ben-willmore

This will help you get up and running with raw fast. Remember to go easy on the sliders. Less is better unless the image is really bad to begin with.

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Jan 21, 2013 12:21:53   #
CResQ Loc: Cobble Hill, BC
 
Festina Lente wrote:
Welcome to the RAW side -Lois!
It is much more flexible over here.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 21, 2013 13:20:19   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
I've been shooting raw for a few months now and I do love how o cam manipulate the wide array of colors it renders over a jpeg. I use lightroom too. I also switched to manual exposure settings on my camera and lightroom helps where my judgement falls short!

It is true that raw images are flat and also need sharpening upon export. But, I actually prefer a less saturated image over a bold one...so I generally tweek the contrast, wb, sharpen, shadows/highlights over colors.

I'm trying to figure out a good way to archive the raws in LR, as I typically export to jpeg for processing and saving those files in separate folders. Any suggestions for archiving raws? Maybe import by date as file name and use keywords?

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Jan 21, 2013 14:38:07   #
GHK Loc: The Vale of Eden
 
[quote=Coker]
I still have never taken a RAW photo.

Oh yes you have; every photo you have ever taken with a digital camera started as a raw image. It's just that the camera gives you the choice of saving that image in a RAW file, or as a Jpeg. Presumably you have always opted for the Jpeg option.
Most people think that Jpeg or RAW is just a simple either/or choice between two things that are not vert different from each other. Nothing could be further from the truth; raw images (the way they all start) are FUNDAMENTALLY different from Jpegs.

It's time the cat got amongst the pigeons.

GHK

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Jan 21, 2013 15:05:07   #
brianclark4 Loc: Beverley,East Yorkshire,UK
 
Coker wrote:
Lois, as I read your post, you sound just like me. I heard myself speaking. Sometime ago, a fellow (unknown) photographer posted 10 side by side photos. The test was to tell which was JPG vs. RAW. [That is shooting in RAW, not shoot in THE RAW]. When I took the silly little test, I failed to tell which was raw and which was jpg. Learning to shoot a correctly exposed photo with any camera is paramount to JPG vs. RAW. Therefore, I submit a few of my favorites. None of which are RAW. I still have never taken a RAW photo. http://www.cokerphotos.com/Some-of-My-Favorites/Some-of-My-Favorite-Photos/1661711_bkPpJn#!i=2265468948&k=B2QqNLH
Lois, as I read your post, you sound just like me.... (show quote)


Sorry to correct you, but you have taken a RAW photograph. Every time to take a photo with your digital camera, you are taking the shot in RAW, the camera then processes that image and saves it as a Jpeg, or a TIFF file or if you have set the mode to save as a RAW file only, that is what the camera will do.

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Jan 21, 2013 15:06:47   #
saxkiwi Loc: New Zealand
 
-lois- wrote:
I'm one of those "Ehhh...why shoot RAW?" people. I read all the arguments, I've read up online, I've just never been convinced. Yeah, yeah the white balance. But I can set the white balance in my camera AND in PhotoShop so that didn't really convince me. I usually shoot and make sure I get the right exposure or I shoot again so THAT didn't convince me. More info...yeah and HUGE files so tht didn't convince me. So for some reason today I thought, "Hmmm. Maybe I'll shoot RAW and JPG and just see." It takes a little tweeking around but oh, my - so many things to tweek around! I did almost the same adjustments (that can be done) on the RAW and the JPG. The RAW just has more stuff! And the whites can be whiter than the JPG whites. Even when I adjust the WB in PS. I don't know if I will be a RAW only person fro here on out. But at least I see what you RAW peeps mean by the white balance. And here is my very first RAW...a RAWbin -
I'm one of those "Ehhh...why shoot RAW?"... (show quote)


Actually I find I dont need to do that much tweaking with raw. Infact even when I used to shoot jpegs I would still do a bit of tweaking so hardly anymore work on the majority of photos if you get the raw right {exposure etc} in the camera from the start.

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