saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon

OK, I did a count two days ago, and came up with over 75 threads, in a bit over the last year, that were some variation of RAW vs Jpeg. In fact, recently, the same theme has appeared 2-3 times a week, and a couple of times on the same day.

(I am truly surprised that the moderators allow this much bandwidth on the topic without encouraging searches before allowing 10-20 pages of posts on each occurence of this single topic. Is UHH not paying for bandwidth on the internet.)

How about a little twist on the subject... Jpeg and Jpeg Only. No discussion about it's relevance or comparison to RAW.

I would propose a set of talking rules, in fact if logistics would allow, I would even set up a "talking stick" or "talking feather" arrangement.

I do not expect these following criteria to last more than a half dozen posts if that.

The criteria would allow all to post, but only with regard to:

1) Why Jpeg
2) Why not Jpeg (use alternatives like TIFF or PSD)
3) Do you fully utilize the processing available in your camera.... image and quality settings, A-DR HDR, etc.
4) Do you NOT used the many levels of processing your camera offers, but rather do all your Jpeg PP in your computer.
5) Operate from a position that RAW does not and never did exist, because this is not a Pi__ing match about comparing the two.
6) Be civil.... not even sure I can do that considering how vexing some of you can be re: your biases, your knowledge, and your misinterpretation or wrong translations of some of that knowledge. (oops, was that civil? :hunf: )

Lastly, I fully expect this will not go far if everyone sticks to the posted criteria.

I do not believe everyone CAN stick to the posted criteria, so this may very well be a thread with a single post-mine.

Frankly, my highest suspicion is that this thread will reveal MANY misconceptions about the Jpeg file format, and may even be illustrative to noobs who are struggling with the R___ question.

The gauntlet is thrown!!!

JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK

is there a point to this

Db7423 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

Or perhaps a question somewhere in there...

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

If there is only JPG then what is there to discuss?

saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon

Well, those are certainly two of the first posts I anticipated.

1) It's no more pointless than a very high number of threads I have seen over time on UHH, and certainly no more pointless than many individual posts. But being civil, you have a right to miss the point altogether :mrgreen:

2) The question is quite clear.... How well do many of you truly know about Jpeg? Again :mrgreen:

Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip

Whisky Tango Foxtrot?, over

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

Laf

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon

But there is .JPG, but I am asking all to post as if it should stand alone. Simply an explanation of all that it offers. Is that something you cannot grasp or do?

Bit of background, I have shot only JPG for over 4 years, foregoing the alternatives that I am asking you to overlook, and done almost no Post Processing. :mrgreen:

Db7423 Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

Perhaps enough, perhaps not enough or perhaps you would like to tell us what you know that you obviously think we don't but should?

saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon

Nice Cop Out St3v3M, but looking at your past posts, I do not believe even you are uneducated enough to not know there is more to it in real use than reading a user generated Wikipedia page.

Are you foregoing the challenge?

:thumbdown:

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

Yawn. :roll:

saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon

Well DB7423,

By looking at your 558 past posts, it's very unlikely that I know MORE than you do about Jpeg, but that's not the point here. The point is to help new people on the board fully understand the strengths and weaknesses of Jpeg before wrestling them into alternatives that may confuse them.

If you believe in civility, and from cruising your posts, I suspect you do, there is no way you could have read into my post that I know more than everybody on the forum about Jpeg, but I know a lot more than some. So a civil approach would be to let the thread do it's work, if it will.
My contention is that they ought to be given a clean assessment as to what they can accomplish with Jpeg, both good and bad, before being thrown under that other bus.

If you do not want to assist in this thread, fine. But trying to shoot it down does not speak well for an open mind on your part.

:hunf:

St3v3M Loc: 35,000 feet

It is a beautiful day so I am out shooting photos, but with your compliment I will try to answer and see where it leads.

I shot JPG on my Point-n-Shoot cameras for years usually not bothering to do any post processing. Then I discovered with a few small tweaks to Brightness, Color, Saturation, etc. I could save photos that may otherwise be lost or enhance others especially when the light was bad.

When I received my Canon EOS 7D and started shooting RAW + JPG eventually moving to RAW alone. If I could only shoot JPG then I would know no difference and would still take a minute to look over and post process each photo. I do not always need to, but sometimes I find the smallest tweak can make a considerable difference in the end.

If I am to interpret your question I am probably in the middle where I believe in subtle post processing, but nothing more.

saichiez Loc: Beautiful Central Oregon

There, ya go... That wasn't so bad was it? And a good answer, quite within the range I was after. The most important part was that you were satisfied with Jpeg for some time. To me that means that you didn't get your skivvies in a wad and become paranoid about moving away from jpeg. And, you are a moderate post processor. Not spending hours in front of the computer is a worthy goal.

In my case, its NO RAW, With a couple of Nikons, couple of Canons, including full frame, and three Fujifilm S2, S3, and S5 Pro models. Point being, all capable of more than Jpeg. The best are the Fuji's because of the Wide Dynamic Range, and the color renditioning of the sensor. The outstanding alternative to what we are trying to avoid in this thread.

On the Post Process side... Maybe a tweak now and then on a Jpeg for white balance, exposure, and a crop here and there.

I have archived in folders labeled original, around 75,000 Jpegs that I draw from when I want an Original Jpeg to edit, occasionally.

I will admit to having a couple of thousand images from when I was on a RAW Jag and Using CS5, both of which I quit about 4 years ago.