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Jan 1, 2013 14:47:15   #
JR1 Loc: Tavistock, Devon, UK
 
I will probably upset someone with a one word reply

FLASH

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Jan 1, 2013 14:49:16   #
sawdust3 Loc: Moline, Il 61265
 
They are all saying to lower the iso and you say go farther yet. How do I do that?

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Jan 1, 2013 14:55:50   #
Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business
 
sawdust3 wrote:
They are all saying to lower the iso and you say go farther yet. How do I do that?


With the rebel xs you really can't go above an iso of 400 without introducing unwanted noise to the image, with the iso of 1600 with this body I am amazed you got the image you posted.

I'm sorry the only correct advice is you will need to LOWER your iso to somewhere around 200, up your shutter speed to 1/150 or higher to freeze movement, which leaves only one option you need to introduce a secondary light source. Either your pop up flash (yuck) or better yet a speed light, even better have the flash off camera.

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Jan 1, 2013 14:57:00   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
sawdust3 wrote:
They are all saying to lower the iso and you say go farther yet. How do I do that?


Please use "quote reply", so we know who "you" is in your reply.

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Jan 1, 2013 17:26:27   #
sawdust3 Loc: Moline, Il 61265
 
Thank you

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Jan 1, 2013 17:28:21   #
sawdust3 Loc: Moline, Il 61265
 
Who knows about the canon t4? Is it better for what I'm doing? Have some new lenses for canon and don't want to change

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Jan 1, 2013 19:26:33   #
Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business
 
sawdust3 wrote:
Who knows about the canon t4? Is it better for what I'm doing? Have some new lenses for canon and don't want to change


Why not purchase a speed light and learn how that will improve your photography? Honestly I don't know if you understand why your not happy with the results you are currently getting with your equipment or what you need to do to improve them. A newer camera isn't going to help with bad interior lighting, knowing how to work with it and correct it with any camera body is the answer.

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Jan 2, 2013 06:12:02   #
Joecosentino Loc: Whitesboro, New York
 
A little education goes a long way, take a class. I know there is lots of free information on the Internet, but when you put down some cash for a class you are invested in learning. Look at some sites like BetterPhoto.com or ppsop.com. Pick a beginners course on exposure and really push yourself every week to make good shots. You will be happy you spent the money.

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Jan 2, 2013 07:25:02   #
redpepper Loc: Central NY
 
Hi Sawdust and welcome! I'm not a wedding Photog, but I take lots of images of family at gatherings. I used to have a Rebel.XTi and that camera doesn't give good images at high ISO. For indoors, I usually use my on camera speedlight, adjust the f/stop for group/vs couple shot. I never go below 1/100 for shutter. My flash is set to ettl. My ISO is set to 400. I shoot in manual and typically have to fiddle with flash bounced though. Keep practicing, and you'll begin to know what your settings should be for certain situations.

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Jan 2, 2013 07:31:52   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
You were right to try a high ISO and a slow shutter speed, but as has been said already, you ran into the limitations of the camera/lens combination. If you're going to be doing more social candid stuff, you might want to think about buying a "brighter" lens.

You might also want to think about using a monopod. If you did, you'd find that you can use a slower shutter speed without camera shake becoming a problem (although subject movement could still cause problems). A monopod would be in keeping with your desire to keep a low profile (which would not be the case with a tripod).

With your present equipment (and without a monopod), the values suggested by Lonerangefinder are a minimum requirement, and if you can't achieve them without flash, then flash will be the only way to go.

I won't accuse anyone of being insensitive, but I think a more sympathetic approach for beginners would be more appropriate.

Hope this helps.

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Jan 2, 2013 07:44:35   #
katbandit Loc: new york city
 
even though i have been told that my camera has a high quality at high ISOs i try not to shoot anything over ISO400..if you are taking a very isolated posed shot and can hand hold that camera( a lens which by the way i have also and use constantly) at 1/25th of a second then you can get a decent shot..but ...if you are walking around taking photos in a room with poor light to start and people are moving the photos will be grainy and blurry..
if you have your off camera flash set where it is bouncing off the ceiling you can then control your speed on the camera ..and the aperture with a low enough ISO..diffusers are a big help also..how often have you gone to a wedding and see the photographer snapping away..it is better to have a split second of a flash than not have any photos..
and don't be afraid to ask for any help on this forum..most of us are still learning too..no matter how good we are we can all get better ..keep practicing..you'll get better every time you snap away..

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Jan 2, 2013 08:24:02   #
PhotoArtsLA Loc: Boynton Beach
 
This is what was once called "candid photography." The trick is to learn to still the camera. This applies to all handheld photography. I was shooting the sunrise today, and saw a man doing the same with a dilettante tripod. There is little doubt my handheld equaled the tripod, and the fast variation of multiple angles (I was shooting stock) just was not tripod territory.

At any shutter speed above 1/30, you should be able to be tack sharp indoors, basically all the time. At 1/125, you could probably be dancing the jitterbug and get things sharp at the same time. It's when you are hand holding at 1/8th second or longer, then we begin to separate photographers from snapshooters.

Successful candid photography, which also applies to theatrical photography, is a matter of isolating yourself from the emotion of any scene, be aware of, and cancel all movement in the camera while maintaining composition, and squeezing, not punching, the shutter. On top of this, you must also be a student of human beings and their movements. At what point will they be still? Predict it. Even active people have frozen movement, all the time. Look for it, and use it. The key is to match and blend their stillness, your stillness, your composition and camera technique, and the story being unfolded.

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Jan 2, 2013 08:44:14   #
jcox Loc: Northern Missouri
 
I imagine that is why he asked the question to learn.

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Jan 2, 2013 08:47:27   #
dparker708
 
That makes two of us who are too sensitive! Best way to learn is to be positive with comments.

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Jan 2, 2013 08:52:22   #
NOTLguy Loc: Niagara on the Lake, Ontario
 
sawdust3 wrote:
Have been reading and trying to learn how to shoot indoors. Shot ny friends wedding last Sat. Banquet room had some bright lighting and alot of dark also. Tried no flash with a canon rebel, Tamron 28-75 f2.8 lense with iso at 1600 max for this camera. Not real good. pictures are very pixilated and fuzzy. How do you shoot in these conditions? Know this is vague. Will send a photo. used shutter speed 1/25


Hi Sawdust3: I know it's a bit late, but "Happy New Year".

I guess there is no quick and simple answer to this question. People have suggested using a flash and increasing your shutter speed to reduce the blur, both of which are sound advice.

I would recommend that you spend some time experimenting at home, using your in teh manual mode, and learn about the relationship between shutter speed and aperture (f stop). You will find that using a larger aperture (smaller aperture number) you will get better results in low light conditions.

The next thing you will need to learn is the relationship between aperture and depth of field (which areas in your shot are in focus, and how much of the shot is blurred)

It's all lots of fun, and taking the time to learn these basic relationships will put you in good standing for the future.

Have fun and send us some more examples, once you have mastered these fundamentals.

Cheers

John

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