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Dec 30, 2012 09:05:29   #
mommommom4 Loc: In the middle of Iowa
 
My daddy was a police officer. He made sure all five of us grew up with the knowledge and respect needed around firearms. When I had children, I did the same thing.

BuddyLars - if you are looking at a firearm for your wife, have you checked into a Smith & Wesson M&P shield? They come in 9mm and .40. It is my carry gun. I also have a Bond Arms Snakeslayer with interchangeable barrels. When I am at my sisters' houses and we are walking their property, I have a .45/410 barrel on it. They have some nasty snakes and I wouldn't want to be surprised by one.

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Dec 30, 2012 09:10:20   #
larrywilk Loc: Palm Harbor, FL
 
BuddyLars wrote:
Good Day Fellow Hedgehogs,
I was an accident baby, Dad and Mom were in their '40s when I was born. Dad liked to hunt but when I got to be around 5 years old he stopped. He had shotgun, 30-06, .22 rifles. I never shot any of these firearms, but Dad let me handle them when I was in my early teens. Damn heavy.
I grew up as a child in the '60s. Born 1957. My Dad and I would watch war movies and war tv. shows together. For Christmas and birthdays I would get firearm toys. Johnny 7 O.M.A. (One Man Army) Monkey gun, James Bond attache case which held a knife and would shoot a bullet at a unsuspecting spy, and many other things of this nature. As I got into my teens I got a couple of BB rifles.



When I got married and raised my 2 kids I did not have any firearms, BB guns in my ownership. Nor did we have toys that were firearm related. Not by conscience choice, just didn't have any. My kids were into sports, soccer, and they were on traveling teams which with team practice and home practice, playing with their friends and games we did not have time to do much more than that. Both kids went into the military in 1999 and in basic training my Son received the Basic Training Ribbon, Honor Grad Ribbon and Marksmanship Ribbon (highest score in his flight). He was asked if he would be interested in going to Special Forces, he declined stating he had no interest in killing anyone. He was also asked "What if someone was trying to kill you" he answered "I do not want to be put in that situation." Jason and Sofie served 10 years and now as private citizens they both have firearms. Out of our family I was the first to buy a firearm for the sole idea of self defense in the home. As Jason became a private home-owner he realized how vulnerable he and his family were and bought some firearms. Sofie followed suit.
I understand how parents can influence their children when being raised. I grew up around gun toys and played with neighborhood kids with these toys, but as a young family man I did not pursue having a firearm, until 3 years ago. My Son and Daughter never saw a firearm in our home or even see a toy that looked like a firearm but as they have young families of their own they have firearms in their homes. Their world as young adults is far different than my world was as a young adult.
When my kids were in the service we all bought ps3 game stations and played 'Modern Warfare" on-line together. Much fun. I played with my grandsons also. Sofie in Arizona, Jason in Colorado. Sofie is back in Rockton and her son loves firearms, loves the military channel etc. I bought him a BB gun and he is an accurate shooter. He also has many nerf toy guns and a few airsoft handguns and rifles. With his father he has shot 9mm pistols and different rifles. Elias will grow up with the idea that firearms are a right and normal thing to have. Did I help perpetuate this idea? Yes. I believe the younger you train someone with proper handling of an unloaded and loaded firearm the more responsible this person will be. This is not the only child in the U.S. to go through this procedure.
Banning firearms will be next to impossible with adults like me teaching our children (my case my grandchildren) the owning, caring and responsibility of safe handling of all firearms (even toy guns) is a right that should be taken seriously.
As a note I have never killed an animal, went on a couple of hunting trips with a neighbor and his Dad when I was a young teen. They were hunting rabbits. I personally do not want to kill an animal for sport nor for food. I probably should learn how to dress one and how to prepare it for consumption just in case if I ever have to in the future. I have a few friends and co-workers who hunt which they have the meat processed and in turn I have eaten.
I've bored you long enough.
Have a Happy New Year.
BuddyLars
Good Day Fellow Hedgehogs, br I was an accident ba... (show quote)



I've got ten years on you, BuddyLars. About the time of your birth I lived in Baltimore. A fleeing felon was shot in front of my house when he turned and confronted the pursuing patrolman. He was armed and pointed the firearm at the policeman who promptly shot him in his chest. I was a few houses down when I heard the shot. Children and adults walking and playing on the street.

Travel forward about ten years and I was at a teen dance. Some fellows from another neighborhood advertised they would "crash" the dance at a high school. About six of them entered and were promptly chased out and the melee carried over into the street. When a state trooper approached, one of the invaders opened his trunk and retrieved an axe and began swinging it. The trooper pulled his firearm and shot the man/boy in the leg after ducking the business end of the axe. Teens all over the vicinity.

Two weeks ago, on the outskirts of Tampa, an altercation broke out as a bar was closing. One individual was firing at another who was retreating. Security Guard that had a carry permit pulled his weapon and shot the armed man. Closing time at bar equals a crowd of stupid people in harms way.

My point is the perpetrators were not concerned about laws. What stopped these felons were response in kind. How many more would have been injured if the legal responders were not there.

I own firearms. I hunted at times. I respect what a firearm can do.
But... the firearm is the symptom and not the disease. We are not dealing with the causes of those instances where things go horrifyingly wrong. Gut, emotional reaction is to outlaw the option that, in many cases, could stop or shorten these rampages.

I would gladly give up my firearms if I thought it would prevent incidents like Columbine, Sandy Hook and so on. Unfortunately it won't. The causes need to be identified and eliminated not our defense against these actions.

All three of these events began with weapons being used wrongly but ended by firearms used correctly.

Just my opinion,

Larry Wilkerson,
Palm Harbor, FL

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Dec 30, 2012 09:10:43   #
BuddyLars Loc: Rockton, Illinois
 
mommommom4 wrote:


BuddyLars - if you are looking at a firearm for your wife, have you checked into a Smith & Wesson M&P shield? .


I'm heading to our local gun dealer today to window shop. I will look at the
Smith & Wesson M&P shield but it will be Inger's decision when her FOID card arrives and she can handle the handgun herself.
Thanks for the suggestion.

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Dec 30, 2012 09:21:45   #
BuddyLars Loc: Rockton, Illinois
 
[quote=larrywilk]
BuddyLars wrote:


I would gladly give up my firearms if I thought it would prevent incidents like Columbine, Sandy Hook and so on. Unfortunately it won't. The causes need to be identified and eliminated not our defense against these actions.

All three of these events began with weapons being used wrongly but ended by firearms used correctly.

Just my opinion,

Larry Wilkerson,
Palm Harbor, FL

I'm with you.

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Dec 30, 2012 10:24:34   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
Buddy,if you're on a budget,see if that gun shop has any Maverick shotguns you can look at.

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Dec 30, 2012 10:27:59   #
BuddyLars Loc: Rockton, Illinois
 
DennisK wrote:
Buddy,if you're on a budget,see if that gun shop has any Maverick shotguns you can look at.

Oh yeah, BuddyLars is always on a budget.
I saw the maverick on Buds Gun shop online. Good Reviews. I would like to buy locally and if they don't have a reasonable 12 ga. I'll buy on-line.
Thanks for the info.

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Dec 30, 2012 10:33:41   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
sarge69 wrote:
True story. I was the assistant pay-master for our unit and one day one of the soldiers was having his 'bad day.'

He reported to the paymaster and was told that due to his borrowing money while on leave, he was a NPD (No Pay Due).

Well, he went ballistic and since we carried weapons at all times then in our advisory group in Vietnam he started waving his rile around and getting to the point where the rifle was pointing towards my Lieutenant.

I told the young soldier who was quite tall, "Look Williams, either shoulder that rifle or let me know which knee-cap you want blown apart because I've got my 45 out, pointed at your knees and think about being a cripple the rest of your life."

He calmed down immediately.

Sarge69
True story. I was the assistant pay-master for our... (show quote)



Was it Capone who said " You get further with a kind word, and a gun, Than with a kind word"?

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Dec 30, 2012 11:18:32   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Amen Buddy!!! very well stated

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Dec 30, 2012 11:23:25   #
sundancer2004 Loc: oak island, nc
 
jadeast wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
That's why the Sterling 380 is so good for my wife. It's small and easy to handle and the recoil is minimal after you fire it a few times to familiarize.

Sarge69

The hole it makes is a bit smaller but it smarts just about as much as the bigger gun! How many of that size hole in his gut does it take to get a criminal's attention?


Usually the first one gets his undivided attention................and rightfuly so

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Dec 30, 2012 12:20:28   #
Michael O' Loc: Midwest right now
 
BuddyLars wrote:
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
my $.02.
Personally I shoot 45acp and 40 cal. I have been shooting since 1966. I served 7 years in the Army and competed with the army pistol team shooting 45 acp.
For more petite folks I recommend 22 or 380.
I ensure those I train hit center mass under pressure, Wether it be a 22 or a 45, if you don't hit your target, you might as well be hurling rocks..
Better to hit an intruder with a 22 than to miss with a 45.
Our home uses a 12 and 20 guage pump shotguns for primary defence.
In NH I worked in a field that required concealed carry, I carried Detonics Combat master and S&W Chiefs special back up.
Never touched the weapons in the performance of my duties.
I had ocassion to use a shotgun in my home to prevent a burglery, racking a round did the trick, never had to level the shotgun.
I teach using the weapon you are most accurate with, not the biggest gun you can fire.
my $.02. br Personally I shoot 45acp and 40 cal. I... (show quote)

Hi Bruce, I agree with everything you have written. At Bullet Stop Gun Shop in a town close to mine they offer a training session with multiple handguns of different calibers. Two people for the price of one. They supply the firearms and ammunition. My wife and daughter will take this class even though my daughter has her handgun already. I think my wife will be more comfortable with another female than with me. I am so undecided on 12.ga shotgun or the hi-point .45 carbine rifle. I am attracted to the .45 as it takes the same ammo as my handgun thus less variety of ammo needed, but as you stated about racking your shotgun, that sound is distinctive and anyone just hearing it would think twice. I've convinced myself, shotgun. I'll get the carbine later.
Thanks for your post.
Lars
quote=Bruce with a Canon my $.02. br Personally I... (show quote)


The only problem with a shotgun is that in close quarters such as a hallway, you may get into a problem trying to swing it onto target. No such problem with a pistol or revolver. For a lady I agree a lighter caliber is best -- such as a 38 or a 9 mm or even a 40 caliber. I have a 44 Mag and a 357 mag, but both may well be more than needed and they will punch thru a whole series of walls -- dangerous range possibilities. But 38 in a 357 will give a man a good soloid weapon in hand with ammo that is not so dangerous 500 feet on the other side of the wall.

Lars, I like your familiarizing of your family early on. My father did the same, and took me duck hunting from 6 years old with my mother's 410 with as shortened stock. I learned very early how to work a duck call and to always keep a (non defense) gun unloaded, but to treaty all guns as loaded. Hunting and shooting are great sports we have to really keep in the minds of our grand standing lefty politicians in order to keep them and the UN from confiscating all civilian arms, killing the Second Amendment, and making subjects of us all. Educating our children is part of the constant program necessary to prevent loss of our ability to protect our families and ourselves.
Example, the anti-gun media and the leftist politicos won't take the target off of our grade,high school, and college and University children simply be stopping that "no guns allowed" nonsense. Have you ever
heard of a whacko killer going to a police station, gun store, shooting range, hunt club, or military barracks to find their victims ? Of course not -- they go to an advertised "gun free" school. When will our professors and hand-wringing politicos wake up and REMOVE the target from the backs of our school kids !!!

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Dec 30, 2012 12:26:08   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Michael O' wrote:
BuddyLars wrote:
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
my $.02.
Personally I shoot 45acp and 40 cal. I have been shooting since 1966. I served 7 years in the Army and competed with the army pistol team shooting 45 acp.
For more petite folks I recommend 22 or 380.
I ensure those I train hit center mass under pressure, Wether it be a 22 or a 45, if you don't hit your target, you might as well be hurling rocks..
Better to hit an intruder with a 22 than to miss with a 45.
Our home uses a 12 and 20 guage pump shotguns for primary defence.
In NH I worked in a field that required concealed carry, I carried Detonics Combat master and S&W Chiefs special back up.
Never touched the weapons in the performance of my duties.
I had ocassion to use a shotgun in my home to prevent a burglery, racking a round did the trick, never had to level the shotgun.
I teach using the weapon you are most accurate with, not the biggest gun you can fire.
my $.02. br Personally I shoot 45acp and 40 cal. I... (show quote)

Hi Bruce, I agree with everything you have written. At Bullet Stop Gun Shop in a town close to mine they offer a training session with multiple handguns of different calibers. Two people for the price of one. They supply the firearms and ammunition. My wife and daughter will take this class even though my daughter has her handgun already. I think my wife will be more comfortable with another female than with me. I am so undecided on 12.ga shotgun or the hi-point .45 carbine rifle. I am attracted to the .45 as it takes the same ammo as my handgun thus less variety of ammo needed, but as you stated about racking your shotgun, that sound is distinctive and anyone just hearing it would think twice. I've convinced myself, shotgun. I'll get the carbine later.
Thanks for your post.
Lars
quote=Bruce with a Canon my $.02. br Personally I... (show quote)


The only problem with a shotgun is that in close quarters such as a hallway, you may get into a problem trying to swing it onto target. No such problem with a pistol or revolver. For a lady I agree a lighter caliber is best -- such as a 38 or a 9 mm or even a 40 caliber. I have a 44 Mag and a 357 mag, but both may well be more than needed and they will punch thru a whole series of walls -- dangerous range possibilities. But 38 in a 357 will give a man a good soloid weapon in hand with ammo that is not so dangerous 500 feet on the other side of the wall.

Lars, I like your familiarizing of your family early on. My father did the same, and took me duck hunting from 6 years old with my mother's 410 with as shortened stock. I learned very early how to work a duck call and to always keep a (non defense) gun unloaded, but to treaty all guns as loaded. Hunting and shooting are great sports we have to really keep in the minds of our grand standing lefty politicians in order to keep them and the UN from confiscating all civilian arms, killing the Second Amendment, and making subjects of us all. Educating our children is part of the constant program necessary to prevent loss of our ability to protect our families and ourselves.
Example, the anti-gun media and the leftist politicos won't take the target off of our grade,high school, and college and University children simply be stopping that "no guns allowed" nonsense. Have you ever
heard of a whacko killer going to a police station, gun store, shooting range, hunt club, or military barracks to find their victims ? Of course not -- they go to an advertised "gun free" school. When will our professors and hand-wringing politicos wake up and REMOVE the target from the backs of our school kids !!!
quote=BuddyLars quote=Bruce with a Canon my $.02... (show quote)


Glaser safety rounds, don't penetrate though the wall.

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Dec 30, 2012 12:26:44   #
OnTheFly Loc: Tennessee
 
I agree with you Black Bart. I shoot a 40 and a 45. However, my wife is not confortable with those so we got her a 380.
I would rather her hit her attacker with a 380 than miss him with a 40 or 45. She may become confortable with a larger cal. later.
Black Bart wrote:
Some posting in this thread will be in for a real shock if they ever need their gun for self defense.

While the argument that a little 380 will make a hole is true your goal when facing an armed assailant is not to just hit him you must incapacitate him to the point that he can not even pull the trigger.

If you shoot a guy with a small caliber he will blow your head off with a 44 then drive himself to the emergency room for medical attention.

The goal is not to cause him to seek medical help you must drop him in his tracks.
Where I live it is cold in the winter if an intruder has on a heavy leather jacket a shotgun with a bird load may not penetrate that is why I keep a short barrel shot gun with the shoulder stock replaced with a pistol grip and loaded with 12 Gage 00 buck.

Several years ago I was living in a house with a in-closed back porch it was hot that night and we left a window open in the kitchen near the door out to the porch.

My wife woke me and said someone was trying to get in the house.
I got out of bed with my shot gun peeked around the door frame and saw a man at the door.

I racked that pump and yelled freeze he ran like hell he knew what that sound was.

Nothing will instill fear like the sound of a shot gun being pumped.

This is just one of those cases where the gun stopped an intruder without firing a shot.
Some posting in this thread will be in for a real ... (show quote)

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Dec 30, 2012 13:08:22   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
You guys seem to thing down sizing the caliber makes all the difference in shoot-ability.And to be honest,I used to think that too,until I actually went to the range with my similarly sized .40 and .45 pistols.Target reacquisition was noticeably quicker with the .45,so I was able to shoot faster. The recoil was strong,but very manageable.To me, a .45's "kick" is more straight back into your arm and shoulder while a .40 seems to flip upward.I was seriously amazed.Both recoils let you know you have something powerful in your hand,but the .45 just seemed "nicer" for lack of a better word.

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Dec 30, 2012 13:10:56   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
BuddyLars wrote:
DennisK wrote:
Buddy,if you're on a budget,see if that gun shop has any Maverick shotguns you can look at.

Oh yeah, BuddyLars is always on a budget.
I saw the maverick on Buds Gun shop online. Good Reviews. I would like to buy locally and if they don't have a reasonable 12 ga. I'll buy on-line.
Thanks for the info.


I have one,and for the price,I'm impressed.Now it ain't much to look at,but I didn't buy it to have it featured in "Wings and Dings". 8-)

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Dec 30, 2012 13:13:39   #
sundancer2004 Loc: oak island, nc
 
DennisK wrote:
BuddyLars wrote:
DennisK wrote:
Buddy,if you're on a budget,see if that gun shop has any Maverick shotguns you can look at.

Oh yeah, BuddyLars is always on a budget.
I saw the maverick on Buds Gun shop online. Good Reviews. I would like to buy locally and if they don't have a reasonable 12 ga. I'll buy on-line.
Thanks for the info.


I have one,and for the price,I'm impressed.Now it ain't much to look at,but I didn't buy it to have it featured in "Wings and Dings". 8-)
quote=BuddyLars quote=DennisK Buddy,if you're on... (show quote)


The Coach gun sold at Bass Pro is a nice side by side, hallway cleaner.

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