More gun laws ? ? ? ?
Dec 23, 2012 12:19:09 #
Well said, Huey Driver!! You can't legislate morality and/or sanity. Enforce the gun laws we currently have and keep the lawyers out of the final equation.
Dec 23, 2012 12:23:03 #
Elkhunter
Loc: Denver, Colorado
Totally agree Sarge. The media is only making this whole situation worst. If they are that derranged they have no use to our society, and because of these sickos we the law abiding citizens will be the ones who suffer. I have guns and I always will have guns for hunting and God forbide I won't hesitate to use them to protect my family.
Dec 23, 2012 13:03:27 #
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun............a good guy with a gun
Dec 23, 2012 13:09:14 #
The cure for this is quite simple! Invent and develop a fingerprint sensitive trigger safety or clip release that recognizes only the legal "certified sane" gun owner and will not function for anyone else! Fit this safety on all legal guns and destroy or refit all illegal weapons as they are found! Eventually the nuts and criminals will have no access to usable guns.
Dec 23, 2012 13:18:34 #
The liberals don't want to outlaw guns for safety, it's all about more control. One law at a time. Death by a thousand cuts. Illinois has some of the most strict laws, and look what the murder rate is per year in Chicago. The U.K. has changed the laws as well, isn't crime on the rise there? Laws only keep law abiding citizens from breaking them. Drugs are illegal, and we all know that nobody here in the U.S. takes drugs. When we create a new law, we create a new lucrative bussiness.
People who wish to do harm, or commit crimes will still have guns. Just the good citizens will not be able to defend themselves. If someone looking to do a robbery, or commit a home invasion, was coming down your street, and your neighbor had a sign in the front yard "Supporting The NRA", and you had a sign that read "Ban All Guns", whose house are they coming into??
A little while back, a man entered a church with a gun, and started shooting. One of the parishoners was an off duty cop who had his weapon with him. That crime ended quickly!! How long did that news story stay on the newscasts? Of course, the liberal solution would be to outlaw religion because if they weren't in church, they wouldn't have been shot. Boy!!! Wouldn't they love that!! Kill two freedoms at once!!
People who wish to do harm, or commit crimes will still have guns. Just the good citizens will not be able to defend themselves. If someone looking to do a robbery, or commit a home invasion, was coming down your street, and your neighbor had a sign in the front yard "Supporting The NRA", and you had a sign that read "Ban All Guns", whose house are they coming into??
A little while back, a man entered a church with a gun, and started shooting. One of the parishoners was an off duty cop who had his weapon with him. That crime ended quickly!! How long did that news story stay on the newscasts? Of course, the liberal solution would be to outlaw religion because if they weren't in church, they wouldn't have been shot. Boy!!! Wouldn't they love that!! Kill two freedoms at once!!
Dec 23, 2012 13:20:10 #
First decent reply I've heard. My only question is could it be workable, possible and affordable?
Dec 23, 2012 13:22:12 #
Aurel wrote:
The cure for this is quite simple! Invent and develop a fingerprint sensitive trigger safety or clip release that recognizes only the legal "certified sane" gun owner and will not function for anyone else! Fit this safety on all legal guns and destroy or refit all illegal weapons as they are found! Eventually the nuts and criminals will have no access to usable guns.
The ass who committed the shootings in CT should not of had access to begin with. Part of the blame for this falls on the mother. Those weapons should have been safely locked up, with him having no access. This is how ALL households should be, but especially because his mother was quite aware of his mental state!!
Dec 23, 2012 13:39:50 #
Something else that boggles my mind. Considering the news media and the anti-gun folks continued attack on assault rifles shows they don't know much about guns. They perceive this weapon to be the ultimate killing machine and should be banned. A Glock pistol (other pistols and guns as well) with high capacity clips and in close proximity to your target like the kids at Newtown were are just as deadly as any assault rifle. Actually it probably can be re-clipped with more ammunition faster than an AK or AR. When is the last time you heard the news media write or say, "Hey, we need to ban Glocks"?
But, the uneducated citizens and the media seem to be fixated with the assault rifle style of guns because it resembles a military weapon. The truth is that guns aren't the problem but people who use guns illegally are. More gun laws will not stop these people. We need to find out what will.
But, the uneducated citizens and the media seem to be fixated with the assault rifle style of guns because it resembles a military weapon. The truth is that guns aren't the problem but people who use guns illegally are. More gun laws will not stop these people. We need to find out what will.
Dec 23, 2012 14:17:09 #
I'll repeat the question I asked earlier. Will someone please define what an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon "is? If it's a weapon that continues to fire as long as the trigger is depressed, then it's commonly called a "machine gun" and they've been illegal for most citizens for a very, very long time.
Dec 23, 2012 14:57:40 #
Ron K. wrote:
I'll repeat the question I asked earlier. Will someone please define what an "assault rifle" or "assault weapon "is? If it's a weapon that continues to fire as long as the trigger is depressed, then it's commonly called a "machine gun" and they've been illegal for most citizens for a very, very long time.
Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies. Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
Assault weapon is a term which has been given many different meanings. In common parlance, the term is used to describe any of various automatic and semi-automatic military firearms utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge and is frequently conflated with assault rifle (a firearm with full-automatic capability). Unlike the term assault rifle, however, the term 'assault weapon' has no consistent or specific definition and is, therefore, subject to varying definitions for varying purposes, including definitions that include common non-military firearms.
Both definitions from Wikpedia
Dec 23, 2012 15:02:13 #
Super. Thanks. Then I guess my .308 and .30-06 semi-automatic deer guns are assault rifles.
Dec 23, 2012 15:21:23 #
Ron K. wrote:
Super. Thanks. Then I guess my .308 and .30-06 semi-automatic deer guns are assault rifles.
They will have to activate the Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which has expired.
I believe they will limit the amount of ammo what will go into a clip also.
But we'll see...
Dec 23, 2012 15:29:16 #
Dec 23, 2012 16:15:30 #
[quote=Huey Driver]Something else that boggles my mind. Considering the news media and the anti-gun folks continued attack on assault rifles shows they don't know much about guns. They perceive this weapon to be the ultimate killing machine and should be banned. A Glock pistol (other pistols and guns as well) with high capacity clips and in close proximity to your target like the kids at Newtown were are just as deadly as any assault rifle. Actually it probably can be re-clipped with more ammunition faster than an AK or AR. When is the last time you heard the news media write or say, "Hey, we need to ban Glocks"?
Sorry to say Huey, with no disrespect, you have forgotten history. Back when Glock's first came out anti-gunners had a big campaign and pushed for them to be banned. After all they could easily gotten be through metal detectors being made of plastic instead of metal. Which has been totally proved wrong. Their world didn't come to an end with them in circulation as they stated it would.
Another point to be made is that guns have been totally banned off airplanes. How safe is it on an airplane ride today because of the total ban. I feel so safe after the intrusive search, to find and eliminate any gun on a plane, just to get on a plane as it flies through the air at 550 mph heading straight for a tall building because of razor blades.
Today we have undercover armed (guns) guards on some of the planes as well as some of the pilots are armed because the total ban has been proven a dismal failure. The loonies have found ways around the security of a lack of guns.
A good anology of anti-gunners is a bull fight. There in the middle of the ring is a man with a red cape and a sword, these anti-gunners are the bull. Even though the man is controling the cape (the criminal), the bull totally ignores the root cause of the cape moving, chases the thing he is having waving in front of its eyes, and completely unaware of the sword. The bull thinks he is totally right, totally dedicated and is totally content to chase the effect and not the cause. Once the matador tires of the game, he drops the cape and it's time to plunge the sword into the heart of the bull. Poor bull didn't know the rules of the game of survival. For him it was a just a feel good game, which according to his convictions was the right thing to do in the ring becasue that was what he was bread to do.
Anti-gunners want to be in the ring of life without weapons, and chase the empty cape and believe that others should be like them. They only find out when the cape is dropped, that having only police, and military having weapons winds up not being a good choice for survival. But the situation is not totally what it looks like, for not only will the police and military have weapons but others like dignitaries, celeberties, the rich and famous, those living in gated communities will all be protedted by guns. Its only the general populous that will be unarmed and left for the sword of the matador.
Sorry to say Huey, with no disrespect, you have forgotten history. Back when Glock's first came out anti-gunners had a big campaign and pushed for them to be banned. After all they could easily gotten be through metal detectors being made of plastic instead of metal. Which has been totally proved wrong. Their world didn't come to an end with them in circulation as they stated it would.
Another point to be made is that guns have been totally banned off airplanes. How safe is it on an airplane ride today because of the total ban. I feel so safe after the intrusive search, to find and eliminate any gun on a plane, just to get on a plane as it flies through the air at 550 mph heading straight for a tall building because of razor blades.
Today we have undercover armed (guns) guards on some of the planes as well as some of the pilots are armed because the total ban has been proven a dismal failure. The loonies have found ways around the security of a lack of guns.
A good anology of anti-gunners is a bull fight. There in the middle of the ring is a man with a red cape and a sword, these anti-gunners are the bull. Even though the man is controling the cape (the criminal), the bull totally ignores the root cause of the cape moving, chases the thing he is having waving in front of its eyes, and completely unaware of the sword. The bull thinks he is totally right, totally dedicated and is totally content to chase the effect and not the cause. Once the matador tires of the game, he drops the cape and it's time to plunge the sword into the heart of the bull. Poor bull didn't know the rules of the game of survival. For him it was a just a feel good game, which according to his convictions was the right thing to do in the ring becasue that was what he was bread to do.
Anti-gunners want to be in the ring of life without weapons, and chase the empty cape and believe that others should be like them. They only find out when the cape is dropped, that having only police, and military having weapons winds up not being a good choice for survival. But the situation is not totally what it looks like, for not only will the police and military have weapons but others like dignitaries, celeberties, the rich and famous, those living in gated communities will all be protedted by guns. Its only the general populous that will be unarmed and left for the sword of the matador.
Dec 23, 2012 16:43:31 #
Was it the Obama administration that sent assualt weapons to Mexican CRIMINALS now looking for more strict gun laws?
Assualt weapons have never been available to the public since Scarface Capone went to the big house.
You simply cant BUY Automatic weapons, or produce or modify semiautio to full auto.
To obtain a federal firearms license to build, modify, posess, or sell full automatic weapons the BATF investigates you more stingenly than a candidate running for the whitehouse.
FEW people qualitfy to obtain a FFL allowing automatic ( that means assiualt weapons)
Confusion occurs when some idiot poilticians think ANY weapon capable of firing in semi-auto mode is an assualt weapon.
Enforse the laws on the books, 20,000 of them, and lock up offenders.
If a man , or woman for that matter, is bent on killing, gun laws will not deter. The absolute absence of guns will not deter a mruderer, There are many tools that can be used for murder, Chemical, Explosive, booby traps, man traps, car bombs, improvised grenades, etc adnasuem.
Guns are not the problem, murders the insane are.
Remember the chinese fella that cut up 20 students and teachers in China, no gun required.
Anyone can google IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVES and read a cook book of lethal weapons and weapons of mass destruction.
Tim McVeigh ring a bell?
Address the problem, not the symptom.
Assualt weapons have never been available to the public since Scarface Capone went to the big house.
You simply cant BUY Automatic weapons, or produce or modify semiautio to full auto.
To obtain a federal firearms license to build, modify, posess, or sell full automatic weapons the BATF investigates you more stingenly than a candidate running for the whitehouse.
FEW people qualitfy to obtain a FFL allowing automatic ( that means assiualt weapons)
Confusion occurs when some idiot poilticians think ANY weapon capable of firing in semi-auto mode is an assualt weapon.
Enforse the laws on the books, 20,000 of them, and lock up offenders.
If a man , or woman for that matter, is bent on killing, gun laws will not deter. The absolute absence of guns will not deter a mruderer, There are many tools that can be used for murder, Chemical, Explosive, booby traps, man traps, car bombs, improvised grenades, etc adnasuem.
Guns are not the problem, murders the insane are.
Remember the chinese fella that cut up 20 students and teachers in China, no gun required.
Anyone can google IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVES and read a cook book of lethal weapons and weapons of mass destruction.
Tim McVeigh ring a bell?
Address the problem, not the symptom.
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