Microsoft is going to get away from x86?? (Page 2): Interesting... I have no old DOS applications. When they quit running under Windows, I either ditched them or replaced them with a...

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

TheShoe wrote:

The application needs to be ported to the native architecture to run without using an emulator. They probably run a bit slower when emulated instead of native.

Interesting...
I have no old DOS applications.
When they quit running under Windows, I either ditched them or replaced them with a Windows version.
I can't remember the last time I ran a DOS based application. Even the oldest program I use, WSFTP-95, is Windows based. Luckily, it still runs nicely under 11.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

BebuLamar wrote:

Perhaps for the fun of it. Actually in many cases ... (show quote)

I quit doing "guts work" (getting into the bowels of the OS) years ago.
I haven't seen/used 123 in over 30 years. dBase neither.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Longshadow wrote:

I quit doing "guts work" (getting into the bowels of the OS) years ago.
I haven't seen/used 123 in over 30 years. dBase neither.

I still have three old Macs and three old Windows computers with old applications on them that open old files for which there are no translators. But I will probably remove the drives and recycle all of them when we move again. I haven't used four of them since 2015.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

burkphoto wrote:

I still have three old Macs and three old Windows computers with old applications on them that open old files for which there are no translators. But I will probably remove the drives and recycle all of them when we move again. I haven't used four of them since 2015.

I thought of keeping one of the old computers. I still have a KVM Switch, just no room for another system. And this desktop has a wireless keyboard and mouse. I probably could use the old wired keyboard and mouse though. But I keep computers for so long that the old Win 7 system was OLD (10-12 years).

GEngel-usmc Loc: Spencerport NY - I miss Lakeland, FL

burkphoto wrote:

I still have three old Macs and three old Windows computers with old applications on them that open old files for which there are no translators. But I will probably remove the drives and recycle all of them when we move again. I haven't used four of them since 2015.

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I still have and use my 2015 iMac because it uses 32-bit ‘InDesign’ App and 32-bit ‘PS’, etc software, which does all I need. My iPad Air 5th gen, M1/256 Gb w/bluetooth ext kb does everything else I need. More mobility for travel, etc. Too expensive to move hundreds of 32-bit software to 64-bit.

Schoee Loc: Europe

If you are interested in the story of ARM I recommend reading the book The Everything Blueprint: The Microchip Design That Changed the World

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

BebuLamar wrote:

Bad news. They went the way of the Apple.

Oh, you mean they (Microsoft) COPIED Apple? Again!

Disc Operating System (DOS) is DEAD.

Perhaps it is far past time to upgrade to a more robust and capable system?

That is, after all, why many folks chose the superior graphics system provided by Apple . . . .

BebuLamar

Wyantry wrote:

Oh, you mean they (Microsoft) COPIED Apple? Again!

Disc Operating System (DOS) is DEAD.

Perhaps it is far past time to upgrade to a more robust and capable system?

That is, after all, why many folks chose the superior graphics system provided by Apple . . . .

Well someone has a job to do. Up before my retirement last year I made decent living taking care of DOS PC running production machinery. They still have to call me sometimes to help them.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

GEngel-usmc wrote:

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I still have and use my 2015 iMac because it uses 32-bit ‘InDesign’ App and 32-bit ‘PS’, etc software, which does all I need. My iPad Air 5th gen, M1/256 Gb w/bluetooth ext kb does everything else I need. More mobility for travel, etc. Too expensive to move hundreds of 32-bit software to 64-bit.

Just be sure you keep it off the Internet, because it no longer gets any operating system security updates.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

burkphoto wrote:

Just be sure you keep it off the Internet, because it no longer gets any operating system security updates.

I'll guess those people are going after current Windows systems, not the antiques.
Higher hit rate.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Longshadow wrote:

I'll guess those people are going after current Windows systems, not the antiques.
Higher hit rate.

XP and 7 are low hanging fruit at this point.

So is any Mac system below 11.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

burkphoto wrote:

XP and 7 are low hanging fruit at this point.

So is any Mac system below 11.

That's why they go after the current systems.
There might be 500 older systems out there,
but there's more than 10,000 newer systems.

They're going to go for the biggest bang for the buck.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Longshadow wrote:

That's why they go after the current systems.
There might be 500 older systems out there,
but there's more than 10,000 newer systems.

They're going to go for the biggest bang for the buck.

New malware that exploits the same pre-existing holes in both new and older operating systems will reach the older ones that are not patched. Newer systems get security patches for most new malware.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

burkphoto wrote:

New malware that exploits the same pre-existing holes in both new and older operating systems will reach the older ones that are not patched. Newer systems get security patches for most new malware.

I would imagine there is different intrusion software based on the OS they're trying to hit.
Windows commands/code won't work in DOS.
So, how best to hit the most systems? Go with the most prevalent OS/processor type.

Do you know the code/method that they are using?
Do you know it will work on all computers?

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Longshadow wrote:

I would imagine there is different intrusion software based on the OS they're trying to hit.
Windows commands/code won't work in DOS.
So, how best to hit the most systems? Go with the most prevalent OS/processor type.

Do you know the code/method that they are using?
Do you know it will work on all computers?

With millions of different hackers out there writing all sorts of nefarious doodads, no, I don't. But I know this: My friends in IT put unprotected PCs outside our corporate firewalls from time to time, and it rarely took more than an hour for them to attract at least one piece of malware that would affect data on an unsupported OS.

They did this because we had many older machine control PCs in production running versions of Windows ranging from 98 to 2000 to XP, when XP was still supported. 98 and 2000 were not supported. Yet we had to run them because some of our equipment was no longer supported by the manufacturer, and there were no modern replacements for it. That is a rather dangerous position to be in, but when you have no other market alternatives, you find ways to run the equipment off network.