FrumCA

It's inconceivable that the judge would not recognize that ocean front property in FL has a tendency to escalate in value.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Yes the properties in Palm Beach with both ocean front and intercostal frontage (with deep water access for yachts) usually fetch $75 million and up. I recently read Brett Baier just paid $37 million for a totally landlocked house.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Once again you are talking about residential properties but mar a lago is a commercial property.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

I believe if you care to check it is zoned “large residential” and Trump ask for a special use agreement in 1993 for its current use. Regardless, look at it on Google earth sometime and you can clearly see given the location, amount of land and the buildings, it should clearly be the most valuable property in that area.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

When you have such a deranged hatred for somebody like Trump, you just can’t deal with actual facts. That’s just the way Denny is.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Maybe true but the impact is that he cannot subdivide - which is
Basis he used to determine a $420m maybe as high as a 1.2 billion.( his words)

rwoodvira

[quote=dennis2146]https://www.townhallmail.com/jbthbpdthhqwbthtwtbjdwzmmnwmmtndffjpkbqbrrbfsjb_drrphssghhjftdgsjrjtgg.html?a=b2e3dd7593a75ac3959f6457b1e7d38ad454dacb651fe4e078cbaa8719a91b3b&b=23880339

There's a pretty good analysis of both sides here:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/02/21/trump-new-york-fraud-case-appeal/72660908007/

A couple of points:
1. The author compares this to what would happen if a private person did something similar (hint it's a felony).
2. It's the first case of this magnitude.
3. The judge group can require the full or a lesser amount of the award while the appeal progresses.
4. Deutsche Bank interesting enough took Trump's valuation and cut it in half. From the AG's valuation, that might not have been enough, but the bank has done nothing to date.
5. The prior tax fraud conviction didn't help him.

I think I've made it pretty clear I'm not a fan of Trump, largely due to his misdeeds in Atlantic City (I also don't like Biden). Some of what he's accused of he pulled in AC. He hurt creditors, workers, contractors and domestic banks., perhaps why he's dealing with the Germans. It was not victimless then; the NY law does not require a victim.

I also believe that his attorneys did a pretty crappy job - they had the ability to request a jury trial, not sure it would have worked, but they didn't.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

[quote=rwoodvira]

You continue telling us you don't like Trump and bring up his personal business deals in Atlantic City. Others don't like Trump for his business dealings either. Great and you have every right to condemn Trump for those business dealings. I have no problem with that at all. But it seems he is still in business, other people still do business with him and I have personally never seen them complain. I don't see front page news of those people whining and crying.

But here is the important news, information I am personally concerned with as a v****g citizen of America. How did Trump do as President? I think he did a hell of a good job. He wanted a wall. Now Biden wants a wall. No wars were started under Trump. Not so under Biden. No d******c t*******t attacks under Trump. Trump did have a plan for infrastructure but the Democrats shut it down. They could not let Trump score a victory before the next e******n.
Weren't more minorities employed than ever when Trump left office?

I can't come up with anything positive for America Biden has done.

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I can only guess he is out in the Twilight Zone with Rod Serling. Seems as if 100% of the Left is out there these days.

Dennis

rwoodvira

[quote=dennis2146]
I saw your note this morning – I apologize for not going beyond my initial reason for disliking Trump.

I did not v**e for Trump largely because of my indirect dealing with him through my clients and the other factors I listed before. I v**ed in the past for virtually for all Republican P**********l candidates before in every e******n until him. In the last 2 e******ns I held my nose to v**e. As far as Trump’s records here are the additional reasons I could never v**e for him, not necessarily in order:

1. C***d – when Trump was elected, he disbanded the National Security team for disease/p******c. When advised about C***d, he ignored the people warning him of its contagious nature, kept poo-pooing it and had indoor spreader events that estimates advise infected at least 30,000 people resulting in at least 700 deaths. His experts were constantly bumping heads with him and he came up with totally ridiculous methods to control it. He ignored the p******c plans instituted by Bush 2 and Obama.

2. His comments in Europe about our sacred dead that served in Europe, his comments on McCain who was a POW (one of my mentors was a POW in Germany), his continued barbs such as disrespecting Haley’s husband who is on National Guard duty.

3. His believing Putin over his advisors regarding the Russian interference in the 2016 e******n.

4. Leaving many ambassador posts empty during his term.

5. His unwillingness to listen to all sides of arguments – he wanted and still wants people that only say yes; the problem is that no one is an expert on everything. The brilliance of Reagan and Bush 1 was they had the best advisors, listened to all sides then made a decision – perfect no, but more effective than surrounding yourself with yes men.

6. His pushing after and to this day that the 2020 e******n was r****d; after his own experts and judicial inquiry said it was not. That will haunt our e*******l process for a very long time.

7. His pushing to get Pence to not accept the e******n results; Pence’s role was ceremonial.

8. His condemning of the Constitution, which he swore to uphold.

9. His inability to keep his staff; those that left paint as Kelly pointed out “the most flawed person he ever met.”

10. His inciting of the J** 6 mob.

11. Morally – the Republican party always stood for family values – screwing the Bunny and the Porn star while his wife is pregnant and his locker talk on camera.

12. His alienation of our allies. I did agree that each country should pay their own share per NATO – the way he declared it recently was not the right way.

13. His dictatorial rule of the Republican party.

14. Like Biden, he’s too old.

I could go on, but I think you get where I’m coming from. I dealt with sales guys my entire career – many were good but there were some that if the project was won, took all the credit – “Look what I did.” If it went up in smoke, it was somebody else’s fault. IMO Trump is one of those guys.

On the Ukraine war – the lessons of history IMO are clear, unless aggression is stopped in its tracks quickly, to eliminate the threat later is more costly in dollars and lives.

I’ve said all along, I’m not a fan of Biden and I really worry that he will die and Kamala will take over.

As always, I respect your opinion and we can agree to disagree. I just wish we could find somebody new

Side note off topic – a couple of weeks ago I saw a video on photography of your state Idaho – what a beautiful place.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

[quote=rwoodvira]

I always appreciate your posts. There is no apology necessary. I have read of your dislikes before and may agree with some of them had I been personally involved or knew of them first hand. But I didn't know of them. I judge Trump on how he handled his Presidency. I like what he did but not many of the ways he handled it. I have said many times I would not like to work for Trump. I have been in on the termination of a few employees in various jobs I have held. It was always an unwritten rule for management staff to terminate an employee and then to not talk about the employee afterward. It is just bad business practice and creates animosity among other employees who start to wonder if they are next and will their dirty laundry be outed afterward. But Trump did that. He would fire someone and then talk about their screw ups later on. Not good. But he took an American populace that had been downtrodden by Obama and his r****t bulls**t, his dividing the races, and lifted them up with a spirit of nationalism.

Many criticize nationalism that Trump tried to create. Of course the Left criticized everything Trump did or said. There is nothing wrong with nationalism. Every country should have a feeling their country is the best on the planet and work to keep it so with p***e in what the nation does. Trump pointed out the same thing. He wanted America and Americans to be proud. Look at American accomplishments around the world. No other country has done as much as this country to spread freedom, to give to other countries when they are in distress from natural disasters and so on. America is always there. When has another country been here when America has earthquakes or other natural disasters? Not very often if ever.

Remember when Reagan was President. He granted amnesty for thousands of i*****l a***ns provided the Left would later do immigration reform. The lying corrupt Left never kept their promise did they? There is good reason I always call the Left liars and corrupt. It is true in everything they do. They have been lying to b****s for about a hundred years now to take care of them. Now I grant you that is messed up to begin with. No race in America should be given any benefits more than any other group of people including b****s. They are perfectly capable of getting an education and jobs just like every other race in America. Nonetheless it is Democrats who have expected the black race to v**e non stop Democratic ticket forever. But the Democratic Party has done NOTHING for them. It is the Conservatives who have supported b****s.

I kept this a bit long for the benefit of lil davey and karen krackhead who so love to read my posts. They keep copies under their pillow at night in case they need to refresh their memories during the night.

Basically I do not trust the Democrats and no matter how bad you think Trump might be on a business level he did well in my eyes compared to the NOTHING Biden has done for America.

Dennis

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma