Cost of Charging an EV
Feb 19, 2024 15:26:18 #
I’ve owned one for 11 years now. All the BS arguments, including the cold weather hyperbole, don’t hold water except one. They suck when you drive cross country. In every other respect they are far superior and better for the environment. Ask yourself, do you have only one car and need to drive across the country? Most people fly and rent so it ends up being a non issue.
Feb 19, 2024 15:47:18 #
There are major flaws in your argument against the environmental benefit of EVs.
Some localities, e.g. Chicago are mostly nuclear power. Additionally, many also offer the option of selecting a provider that sources renewable energy - Google MC2 for an example.
Gas cars will always pollute whereas EVs have the potential to be powered by renewable energy which is rapidly replacing fossil fuel plants as they are cheaper to operate.
Finally EVs are far more efficient than ice cars and per mile pollute much less than even when their electricity comes from fossil fuel.
When you factor in the health issues and climate changes caused by fossil fuel, we cannot afford to not transition as soon as possible. EVs are not for everyone but the arguments about cost and environment issues are simply lies spread by people either brainwashed or with an agenda.
Some localities, e.g. Chicago are mostly nuclear power. Additionally, many also offer the option of selecting a provider that sources renewable energy - Google MC2 for an example.
Gas cars will always pollute whereas EVs have the potential to be powered by renewable energy which is rapidly replacing fossil fuel plants as they are cheaper to operate.
Finally EVs are far more efficient than ice cars and per mile pollute much less than even when their electricity comes from fossil fuel.
When you factor in the health issues and climate changes caused by fossil fuel, we cannot afford to not transition as soon as possible. EVs are not for everyone but the arguments about cost and environment issues are simply lies spread by people either brainwashed or with an agenda.
Feb 19, 2024 15:49:43 #
JBuckley wrote:
Sound nice.
Just wondering “what factors are averaged in” when those lithium batteries are due for replacement? I’ve heard that costs for battery replacement is $5000 and up?
I guess I’ll be pumping the petroleum product, until I can afford to switch over to “blue-gas”!
[Whenever it’s available]!
Just wondering “what factors are averaged in” when those lithium batteries are due for replacement? I’ve heard that costs for battery replacement is $5000 and up?
I guess I’ll be pumping the petroleum product, until I can afford to switch over to “blue-gas”!
[Whenever it’s available]!
This is another false argument. Batteries almost never need to be replaced and after 250,000 might lose 20% of their range.
Feb 19, 2024 16:18:22 #
survivaldealer wrote:
$3-4K, even in Lead-Acid, won't buy much capacity. And Lithium? You MIGHT run a flashlight on that.I have paid a few thousand dollars for batteries, but I learned that by keeping them at least 80% charged allows them to last 20 years.
Again I ask - how many KWh do you produce and use on a 'good day' ?
Feb 19, 2024 16:22:28 #
tgreenhaw wrote:
Horse Hooey!! I sold my 2004 Prius in 2008 - 1 year later the batteries died and needed replacement. This is another false argument. Batteries almost never need to be replaced and after 250,000 might lose 20% of their range.
There is also a significant range decrement in cold weather below 20F.
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Despite ALL that - I'm still gonna buy a Tesla S Plaid when I win the lottery.
Unless something e-faster comes to market by then.
Feb 19, 2024 16:35:44 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
AS far as I am concerned the cost/value of any used EV after 5 years old is the cost of the replacement battery after the battery replacement. Before battery replacement its value is zero.
No replacement battery then the value is zero also (or maybe some small residual vale for other parts eg body panels when it is scrapped).
What does this do to its depreciation value ? So for 5 years you have had cheap running (plus tires, brake fluid etc). Then divide the total purchase price by 5 and add that to your running costs for each year. Not looking so good then.
Unless you can find a mug to buy it off you. Hertz seems to have realised this somewhat late to their cost.
No replacement battery then the value is zero also (or maybe some small residual vale for other parts eg body panels when it is scrapped).
What does this do to its depreciation value ? So for 5 years you have had cheap running (plus tires, brake fluid etc). Then divide the total purchase price by 5 and add that to your running costs for each year. Not looking so good then.
Unless you can find a mug to buy it off you. Hertz seems to have realised this somewhat late to their cost.
Feb 19, 2024 17:22:26 #
Merlin1300 wrote:
Horse Hooey!! I sold my 2004 Prius in 2008 - 1 year later the batteries died and needed replacement.
There is also a significant range decrement in cold weather below 20F.
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Despite ALL that - I'm still gonna buy a Tesla S Plaid when I win the lottery.
Unless something e-faster comes to market by then.
There is also a significant range decrement in cold weather below 20F.
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Despite ALL that - I'm still gonna buy a Tesla S Plaid when I win the lottery.
Unless something e-faster comes to market by then.
I sold my 2005 Prius in 2017. Tested the battery before the sale and it was just fine.
The 12v battery on the other hand lasted about 5 years. Replaced that twice on that old car. I wouldn't have sold the car but the newer models had more safety features and I somehow got older in the interval. Figured the safety features would be useful and would offset the age of the nut that held the wheel.
Range in summer was around 500 miles (10 gallon tank). Range in winter was around 450 miles.
PS: replaced the old Prius with a 2017 Prius. Running fine now with 85K miles. I did replace the 12v battery about a year ago.
Feb 19, 2024 17:30:55 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
I do hope that all Prius owners include the cost of the 12v battery, and any labour, in their cost of running. I suspect most don't.
Feb 19, 2024 17:33:07 #
chrissybabe wrote:
I do hope that all Prius owners include the cost of the 12v battery, and any labour, in their cost of running. I suspect most don't.
I include it in maintenance costs. It's less than around $200. Home job.
(Based on the 2005 and 2017 models).
Feb 19, 2024 17:44:44 #
chrissybabe
Loc: New Zealand
DirtFarmer wrote:
I include it in maintenance costs. It's less than around $200. Home job.
(Based on the 2005 and 2017 models).
(Based on the 2005 and 2017 models).
I have a 90/10 % rule. If anything is set up it will only suit 90% of who it was done for. The other 10% will find it is utter crap for them. In NZ this is for stuff like banks doing away with checks, or reward schemes requiring smart phones which 10% of the population don't have etc. It also works the other way. I find that 90% of EV owners have never bothered to calculate the true cost of owning an EV or its cost to the environment. The other 10% are good citizens and you appear to be one of those.
Feb 19, 2024 18:00:28 #
chrissybabe wrote:
I have a 90/10 % rule. If anything is set up it wi... (show quote)
I try.
But I should note that I don't really consider my Prius an EV. Rather, I distinguish between purely electric vehicles and hybrids, with battery/ICE drives.
I took an economics course in college but it wasn't my thing. The only thing I really remember about economics I learned from Mr. Mikawber (Dickens, David Copperfield).
Income 20 pounds, expenditures 19, 19, and 6: result happiness.
Income 20 pounds, expenditures 20, nought and 6: result misery.
Feb 19, 2024 18:05:27 #
survivaldealer
Loc: NE Utah
I live off-grid, as do most of my neighbors. One neighbor that has 40 acres and existing power lines already cross his property on the way to an oil well, was quoted $15k just to connect. I sold him a complete system for less than $15k. He did all of the installation himself.
Feb 19, 2024 18:22:45 #
Feb 25, 2024 09:08:28 #
Red6 wrote:
Our local utility charges around $0.10458 per kwh ... (show quote)
What is the range of your leaf compared to your gas car? I would think it is half of the gas car. So you need to recalculate I think.
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