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Jan 28, 2024 20:36:20   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
A. T. wrote:
Okay, I'm curious about your feelings on cropping. I crop quite a bit and that's usually with a 24mp FX and DX DSLR. My plans are to start printing but I also plan to really be careful about cropping images that I plan on printing. Let me know your thoughts.


I know you aren't talking to me, but I'm going to jump in anyway. If you expect to do a lot of cropping, do it from images produced by the camera with the biggest sensor that you can find/afford!!

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Jan 28, 2024 21:20:24   #
A. T.
 
Retired CPO wrote:
I know you aren't talking to me, but I'm going to jump in anyway. If you expect to do a lot of cropping, do it from images produced by the camera with the biggest sensor that you can find/afford!!


Okay, thanks.

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Jan 28, 2024 21:43:31   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
A. T. wrote:
Okay, thanks.


With a smaller sensor from the same position, you won't have to crop as much.

Six of one, half dozen of the other

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Jan 28, 2024 21:56:59   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
A. T. wrote:
Okay, I'm curious about your feelings on cropping. I crop quite a bit and that's usually with a 24mp FX and DX DSLR. My plans are to start printing but I also plan to really be careful about cropping images that I plan on printing. Let me know your thoughts.


I have good 10x16 prints from my 6mp Nikon D40. That being said I love working with those 45mp files from my Z7 and Z9, but a fair amount of my prints are crops from my OM-1 or my RX10MIV.

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Jan 28, 2024 22:38:38   #
A. T.
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I have good 10x16 prints from my 6mp Nikon D40. That being said I love working with those 45mp files from my Z7 and Z9, but a fair amount of my prints are crops from my OM-1 or my RX10MIV.


That's refreshing to know because as I stated earlier, I tend to crop quite a bit, mainly for composition.

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Jan 28, 2024 23:35:12   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Harry P wrote:
not alot, its when I am photographing something jets very far away when i really crop in do i see a lack of image quality. I have added a few examples


With the same lens at the same focal length, the images of these planes would be exactly the same size on any sensor, DX or FX. The higher the pixel density, the more pixels they will cover, and heavy cropping to the same subject size in the final image favors the D850 over the D780. There are a couple of possibilities I can think of for your soft images. The first is that your camera just doesn't give you enough pixels to work with. The second is that your lens or lenses may be at the limit of what they can resolve.

If you really want to go full frame, the D850 will better serve your needs than the D780. The suggestion that you consider a 24 megapixel DX camera is also reasonable.

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Jan 28, 2024 23:51:31   #
User ID
 
A. T. wrote:
That's refreshing to know because as I stated earlier, I tend to crop quite a bit, mainly for composition.

Cropping for composition is generally far less drastic than a birder trying to bag a parakeet at 100 yards !

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Jan 29, 2024 01:05:57   #
A. T.
 
User ID wrote:
Cropping for composition is generally far less drastic than a birder trying to bag a parakeet at 100 yards !


LOL, I guess so.

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Jan 29, 2024 03:02:02   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
The reach of a d500 is nearly identical to the crop from a d850. From what i can see your likely current limiting factor is probably lens quality. A call for the Nikon 200-500 makes sense as to sharpness. It is fairly heavy though. If you find that most of your shots are at the long end of your zoom, then the best optical upgrade would be a used 500 pf. Those prices have really fallen and they produce extremely crisp images (when not afflicted by thermal waves).

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Jan 29, 2024 07:24:36   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Harry P wrote:
Hello,
If you have seen me before on here, you will know that I shoot aviation. I currently own my late grandfathers D5100 and I am currently saving up to upgrade to a full frame D780, however I just learned about how much detail you lose when cropping on a full frame vs a crop sensor. If anyone owns a D780 (or at least the D750 as the D780 only has like 0.3+ mp more than the D750) for airshows, what is the quality like when you crop in vs the D850.

My plan was to save up for the D780 with the kit lens but if it looks like the D850 is gonna be better, im just gonna get the body. I use a Sigma 150-600mm C for aviation and I have currently got 1 UHS-II card 128gb intended for the D780.

lemme know your thoughts,

Thank You
Hello, br If you have seen me before on here, you ... (show quote)


If you want reach, buy a D500, that way your 150-600 gets a field of view of 300-900. The d500 also shoots at 10 frames a second, faster than the D780 or D850. With that reach you will be able to see the piolet smile.
Also, the D500 has a dual focusing engine, just like the one on the D850 and D5. Lock on and shoot.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.

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Jan 29, 2024 07:53:46   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
Harry P wrote:
Hello,
If you have seen me before on here, you will know that I shoot aviation. I currently own my late grandfathers D5100 and I am currently saving up to upgrade to a full frame D780, however I just learned about how much detail you lose when cropping on a full frame vs a crop sensor. If anyone owns a D780 (or at least the D750 as the D780 only has like 0.3+ mp more than the D750) for airshows, what is the quality like when you crop in vs the D850.

My plan was to save up for the D780 with the kit lens but if it looks like the D850 is gonna be better, im just gonna get the body. I use a Sigma 150-600mm C for aviation and I have currently got 1 UHS-II card 128gb intended for the D780.

lemme know your thoughts,

Thank You
Hello, br If you have seen me before on here, you ... (show quote)


Go for the gusto. The D850

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Jan 29, 2024 07:57:12   #
tdozier3 Loc: Northern Illinois
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Are you saving too for FX lenses? If you don't have full-frame lenses, you're wasting your money on a full-frame camera, as the FX camera will need to operate in DX mode with a DX lens. Your Sigma is fine on an FX body, but the question remains: what other FX lenses?

Regarding the D780 vs D750, they're both 24MP FX cameras and the D780 was pretty much a waste of time by Nikon, ignored by most of their customers. Look at a used D750 if a D850 is out of your price range.

You probably should be looking at a D500 or D7500 for your airshow needs, the more logical upgrade from a DX D5100.
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Yes, I agree. I have both the D7500 and D500 and both are excellent DX cameras.

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Jan 29, 2024 09:03:53   #
Harry P Loc: United Kingdom
 
coolhanduke wrote:
I shoot a lot of air shows and air to air photography.
I use the D850 with the battery pack to get more FPS.
It would be my recommendation.
Here are just a few shots from Huntington Beach air show. Some are tight crops.


I got a UHS-II card, what is the maximum write speed that the d850 can write image data to those sd cards if you use one?

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Jan 29, 2024 10:12:02   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Harry P wrote:
Hello,
If you have seen me before on here, you will know that I shoot aviation. I currently own my late grandfathers D5100 and I am currently saving up to upgrade to a full frame D780, however I just learned about how much detail you lose when cropping on a full frame vs a crop sensor. If anyone owns a D780 (or at least the D750 as the D780 only has like 0.3+ mp more than the D750) for airshows, what is the quality like when you crop in vs the D850.

My plan was to save up for the D780 with the kit lens but if it looks like the D850 is gonna be better, im just gonna get the body. I use a Sigma 150-600mm C for aviation and I have currently got 1 UHS-II card 128gb intended for the D780.

lemme know your thoughts,

Thank You
Hello, br If you have seen me before on here, you ... (show quote)


You would be better-off with a Z50 and a 180-600 for air shows. You could also go with a D500 and a 200-500.

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Jan 29, 2024 13:29:29   #
A. T.
 
DavidPine wrote:
You would be better-off with a Z50 and a 180-600 for air shows. You could also go with a D500 and a 200-500.


The D500 coupled with the 200-500mm 5.6 is what I've been using for the air show for years with excellent results.

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