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Dec 26, 2023 23:43:35   #
Charles Whittier
 
Levitt Machine Co Dexter Gate Valve reseating tool

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Dec 27, 2023 02:20:00   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
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I've never heard of hog oilers let alone the need for them. Just to be sure that this was legitimate, I googled hog oiler and they do exist and are even collectable. But they don't look like this. I assumed that they must come in a lot of different forms.

As part of my postings, I gave out some clues e.g. it was farm related, and I saw this item in a hardware store in Amish country in Ohio. Our hogger, Dustie actually did some research and found the hardware store, Lehman's, in Kidron, Ohio and got onto their website where a gentleman was explaining some of the rare antique items they have on display, this being one of them. He described it as something entirely different, having to do with resurfacing piston faces. That is also a very plausible explanation, maybe more plausible than hog oiler. I called the store today to try and find out is my posted hog oiler sign correct or the piston resurfacing device the right answer. The gentleman who can answer that question was not available but I left a message on his voice mail and explained why I wanted to know. Pointed out his store was getting some national publicity here.

That being said, I would have to say that Dustie is the winner here, if for no other reason that he did the most work to try and find out what it was. So his prize is: 1) a get-out-of-jail free card, 2) a box of outdated Kodak 100 film, 3) a future draft choice to be named later and 4) an atta-boy.

If I hear from the gentleman from Lehman's, I will post his answer here as well.

And as a final anus protectus; Who among you, if you were walking through this store and saw this display and knew that "What is this" is a popular game we play on General Chit Chat, would not have taken cellphone pictures and posted it like I did. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
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Reuss, my apologies....didn't realize the audio in the video link would be difficult for you to hear well enough to understand the speaking. The interesting older gent being interviewed and being the tour guide is Jay Lehman, founder of Lehman's, and restorer of many of the items they have on display.

Here is a transcript of what he said in that clip:
Jay:
When you put pipe in the ground, and you have flanges on them, and you bolt them together. Then every so often you put a valve in there so you can shut them, and the valve comes down in there like this, at a taper. And then that there machine here -- the different sizes are to resurface the seats, so when the valve comes down there -- it resurfaces it so it shuts off right.

Interviewer:
So it sits in a groove?

Jay:
Yeah.
________

Now, do you s'pose there could be someone around there who very sneakily moves those explanation signs around to confuse visitors/customers/tourists....and then stands back watching and listening and GoPro recording peoples' various reactions....kind of a private Candid Camera type amusement to watch at home for hoots and giggles?

Now, about this other thing:
I tried to give the Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card to 'The Man', so I could be out and about, again. He took one glance and fumed,
"What?!?! You think I'm some antique or somethin' ?!?! A 2MB card ?!?!"
(He was really fumin', and gettin' louder, veins poppin' out all over -- neck, forehead, ears, eyelids... gettin' redder than raw water buffalo meat...he prob'ly could'a lit his cigar on the side o' his cheek!! )
"You think I can operate my warp speed, uber-MP,
poly/titanium/mirrorless/shutterless/errorless/noiseless/diffractionless/artifactless stratosphere-glamor level genius camera on an ancient 2MB card, and expect me to let you out with that ?!?! What? You can't count to 512GB, or what ?!?!"

I think he's gonna make sure I'm double-shackled in the chain gang, and I'll just haf'ta settle for hopin' I'm in a good spot to hear the calliope tweeting along when that train goes by.

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Dec 27, 2023 02:28:47   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
I can say that those are not hog oilers. Those things would turn hogs into the chopped, sliced, pressed ham you find in the little packages at Walmart.

I’ll do my best to describe what a hog oiler looks like. Imagine a trough shaped affair approximately 2’ long and 1’ wide, with a pan on the inside which held used motor oil. In the center is an affair that reminds you of a Ferris wheel suspended over the oil pan with the lower portion submerged in the oil. The wheel has two halves, each shaped kind of like a round, tapered base wash pan, both full of holes and with the tops together. The whole affair is made of cast iron to prevent hogs from destroying it. The hog rubs its side and belly on the wheel, which spreads oil onto them. Another oiler, basically a large round oil soaked wick suspended above allows hogs to oil their back. This type is also used for cattle.
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Yessir on the oilers....some homemade varieties on some of those, too.
Keep the wick-type from getting dried out, too, or some ctitters will try to eat the wick. I was really quite young, probably before old enough for school, so I don't recall exactly, but I believe it was turpentine that one old fellow used to keep the wick rosined up, so a couple of his hogs wouldn't eat whatever they could reach of the wick, even when it wasn't getting dried out.

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Dec 27, 2023 02:50:27   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
It appears to be a lapping tool for dressing the faces of brass valve flanges so that they mate squarely. If they don't mate squarely, they will leak regardless of how tight they are bolted together. The pipe flanges and the valve flanges oftentimes are different or often reused from other piping. The item on the top is the jig that holds the facing tools centered in the flanges to be dressed.

The gearheads among us would think of it as the importance of the valve heads fitting squarely across the surface of the engine block. The slightest warp in the head becomes a problem.
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Sippy, it's designed for external on the flange faces, as you mention, but it also is made to work the internal seat faces for the valve gate, as well.
See the step at the outer end of the platten?.....right side end of the vise looking frame in the upper part of the case.

For flange faces, the valve flange is set in the platten in the lower position so it can make those faces parallel.
For the tapered internal seat faces, the flange is set up on the step at that outer end, to set the center shaft that few degrees off the center line axis of the valve bore, so the die will work the tapered face. With the bonnet unbolted and the shaft, handle, gate and all those parts removed, the die is inserted in place of the gate, then the internal seat faces can be worked.

The ratcheting part of the die setup can be worked in that throat where the bonnet was removed, with about as much ratchet travel space as you can see it has where the dies are stored in the case, as seen in the pic Reuss has at the beginning.

Modern facing/dressing tools are pretty much electric- or hydraulic- or pneumatic-powered ring motors to rotate the dies.

For any slightly interested, but not familiar with the valves, this is pretty basic, not worded super-technically.
https://www.avkvalves.eu/en/insights/product-insights/gate-valves/what-is-a-gate-valve

This is an illustrsted schematic
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This is a slightly different seat configuration, usually with harder seating surface material for reduced wear.
This is a slightly different seat configuration, u...

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Dec 27, 2023 03:29:27   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
Scroll down for answer:

I've never heard of hog oilers let alone the need for them. Just to be sure that this was legitimate, I googled hog oiler and they do exist and are even collectable. But they don't look like this. I assumed that they must come in a lot of different forms.

As part of my postings, I gave out some clues e.g. it was farm related, and I saw this item in a hardware store in Amish country in Ohio. Our hogger, Dustie actually did some research and found the hardware store, Lehman's, in Kidron, Ohio and got onto their website where a gentleman was explaining some of the rare antique items they have on display, this being one of them. He described it as something entirely different, having to do with resurfacing piston faces. That is also a very plausible explanation, maybe more plausible than hog oiler. I called the store today to try and find out is my posted hog oiler sign correct or the piston resurfacing device the right answer. The gentleman who can answer that question was not available but I left a message on his voice mail and explained why I wanted to know. Pointed out his store was getting some national publicity here.

That being said, I would have to say that Dustie is the winner here, if for no other reason that he did the most work to try and find out what it was. So his prize is: 1) a get-out-of-jail free card, 2) a box of outdated Kodak 100 film, 3) a future draft choice to be named later and 4) an atta-boy.

If I hear from the gentleman from Lehman's, I will post his answer here as well.

And as a final anus protectus; Who among you, if you were walking through this store and saw this display and knew that "What is this" is a popular game we play on General Chit Chat, would not have taken cellphone pictures and posted it like I did. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
Scroll down for answer: br br I've never heard of... (show quote)


Oh......just one more thing....
Reuss, don't overdo your modesty on getting 'national attention' for Lehman's.....you are probably getting them some international, worldwide attention. I mean, UK, Argentina, Phillipines, New Zealand, France......gee willikers, how many places have people been who took a peek at what you presented?
If Lehman's internet sales go up enough because of this, they may recontact you to drive up to their place several times per week to help them process orders.....never know.

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Dec 27, 2023 20:28:17   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
dustie wrote:
Reuss, my apologies....didn't realize the audio in the video link would be difficult for you to hear well enough to understand the speaking. The interesting older gent being interviewed and being the tour guide is Jay Lehman, founder of Lehman's, and restorer of many of the items they have on display.

Here is a transcript of what he said in that clip:
Jay:
When you put pipe in the ground, and you have flanges on them, and you bolt them together. Then every so often you put a valve in there so you can shut them, and the valve comes down in there like this, at a taper. And then that there machine here -- the different sizes are to resurface the seats, so when the valve comes down there -- it resurfaces it so it shuts off right.

Interviewer:
So it sits in a groove?

Jay:
Yeah.
________

Now, do you s'pose there could be someone around there who very sneakily moves those explanation signs around to confuse visitors/customers/tourists....and then stands back watching and listening and GoPro recording peoples' various reactions....kind of a private Candid Camera type amusement to watch at home for hoots and giggles?

Now, about this other thing:
I tried to give the Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card to 'The Man', so I could be out and about, again. He took one glance and fumed,
"What?!?! You think I'm some antique or somethin' ?!?! A 2MB card ?!?!"
(He was really fumin', and gettin' louder, veins poppin' out all over -- neck, forehead, ears, eyelids... gettin' redder than raw water buffalo meat...he prob'ly could'a lit his cigar on the side o' his cheek!! )
"You think I can operate my warp speed, uber-MP,
poly/titanium/mirrorless/shutterless/errorless/noiseless/diffractionless/artifactless stratosphere-glamor level genius camera on an ancient 2MB card, and expect me to let you out with that ?!?! What? You can't count to 512GB, or what ?!?!"

I think he's gonna make sure I'm double-shackled in the chain gang, and I'll just haf'ta settle for hopin' I'm in a good spot to hear the calliope tweeting along when that train goes by.
Reuss, my apologies....didn't realize the audio in... (show quote)


I'm impressed, I think you got out the entire last two paragraphs without taking a breath. And don't forget that one Aw Shit cancels out all the atta-boys you've collected.

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