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Nov 14, 2023 09:00:38   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
StanMac wrote:
Thank you, James! It’s interesting to me that the prompt didn’t mention motorcycles but they appear in the image, and flying ones as well! That creative thinking aspect of AI makes me uncomfortable for some reason.

Stan

So, you can recognize AI by the presence of some things that are purely fanciful - nobody thought to tell the computer that motorcycles don’t fly.

We saw one a few days ago in which the proportions were wrong - nobody had thought to tell the computer that distant objects look smaller.

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Nov 14, 2023 09:09:20   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rehess wrote:
So, you can recognize AI by the presence of some things that are purely fanciful - nobody thought to tell the computer that motorcycles don’t fly.
...

Tell that to Evel Knievel.

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Nov 14, 2023 09:17:33   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I haven't yet outsourced my wit to AI ....


What wit?

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Nov 14, 2023 09:31:15   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
Is there anything in that "shot" that's in SHARP focus. I can't see it. Frankly I think it looks bland.

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Nov 14, 2023 09:36:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
foathog wrote:
Is there anything in that "shot" that's in SHARP focus. I can't see it. Frankly I think it looks bland.

I guess sharp focus for everything is important to some.
Leaves little to be filled in by the mind.
I've no problem with the lack of precise detail in the image.

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Nov 14, 2023 09:50:15   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
twosummers wrote:
Here you go Stan (probably more than 50 words!) - Whilst this prompt uses Midjourney variables the image I posted above was produced by ChatGPT - bear in mind that if you use the same prompt you'll get a different result as everything (documents, images etc) are generated each time! - it's very clever. I'm buying into this tech and compiling thousands of prompts by category (I need to get out more)

Here is the prompt -

Capture a thrilling car chase scene on a busy city street. The cars should be moving at high speed, weaving through traffic with skyscrapers in the background. The lighting should be clear and bright, highlighting the action and creating a sense of urgency. Use a Canon EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR camera with an EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III USM lens to capture the car chase. --ar 16:9 --v 5.1 --style raw --q 2 --s 750

Enjoy

You can of course use this exact prompt a dozen or more times and get a dozen or more unique images. If you modify the prompt you'll get something else of course. Rinse and repeat

James
Here you go Stan (probably more than 50 words!) - ... (show quote)


Using this prompt in Adobe Firefly Beta 2 gave this (and many other) results. Of course, Firefly works differently from Midjourney and Dall-E and the others, and parameters like aspect ratio, and type of image (photo, illustration, painting, etc. etc. ) must be set individually and are ignored in the prompt. I doubt the camera information is considered either.

Because of Adobe's long association with creatives, they have tried to be more ethical in the training of their machine learning model and so lag behind the others. Will they ever catch up? I think they will have to, in order to stay competitive.

Since you posted your prompt, I assumed that you wouldn't object to seeing other examples here...


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Nov 14, 2023 10:00:19   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
terryMc wrote:
Using this prompt in Adobe Firefly Beta 2 gave this (and many other) results. Of course, Firefly works differently from Midjourney and Dall-E and the others, and parameters like aspect ratio, and type of image (photo, illustration, painting, etc. etc. ) must be set individually and are ignored in the prompt. I doubt the camera information is considered either.

Because of Adobe's long association with creatives, they have tried to be more ethical in the training of their machine learning model and so lag behind the others. Will they ever catch up? I think they will have to, in order to stay competitive.

Since you posted your prompt, I assumed that you wouldn't object to seeing other examples here...
Using this prompt in Adobe Firefly Beta 2 gave thi... (show quote)


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Nov 14, 2023 10:25:38   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
twosummers wrote:
Hi my friends - I've been absent from the site for a few months trying to get my head around all of this AI stuff. Maybe I'm just getting old (I am) but it is truly frightening. From a photography interest perspective I have been looking at 2 applications - one is called DALL-E and the other is Midjourney. Here's the scary part - I spent some time writing a prompt (you have to tell these AI machines what to do) - let's say you want a photograph - it can be just a regular one or an exiting one (say for a poster or an advertisement). The prompts can be what you need the photo to depict, the aspect ratio, camera model, lens, aperture, filter, shutter speed, weather, location - you can be as creative as you like. So from a prompt of about 50 words I got this image in a few seconds! If you are a graphic designer (for example) you've just saved yourself a bunch of time and brainpower. I read today that images of people created by AI cannot be distinguished from real photographs.......
Hi my friends - I've been absent from the site for... (show quote)


You refer to these entirely computer generated images as photographs. They are not. Photographs are images created by the activity of light on a light sensitive material. It's just confusing the definition of photography to call them photographs. There are also AI apps which aid in post processing actual photographs, which further adds to the confusion. When we are discussing the relationship between AI and photography we must be precise in what we are talking about.

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Nov 14, 2023 10:33:21   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Longshadow wrote:
I guess sharp focus for everything is important to some.
Leaves little to be filled in by the mind.
I've no problem with the lack of precise detail in the image.



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Nov 14, 2023 10:34:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
You refer to these entirely computer generated images as photographs. They are not. Photographs are images created by the activity of light on a light sensitive material. It's just confusing the definition of photography to call them photographs. There are also AI apps which aid in post processing actual photographs, which further adds to the confusion. When we are discussing the relationship between AI and photography we must be precise in what we are talking about.

Well, they are not hippopotamuses...

Perception...
(As in strictly by the definition?)
All photographs are images, but not all images are "photographs".
Depends on how persnickety one is.

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Nov 14, 2023 10:50:50   #
Canisdirus
 
rehess wrote:
THE MARKET ignores the whole thing; nobody would even talk about here if certain people wouldn’t keep bringing it up.


The market is not sentient is the point...flailing at windmills.

Still photography is on its heels ... first cell phones...now AI...it's a done turkey.

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Nov 14, 2023 10:54:55   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
The market is not sentient is the point...flailing at windmills.

Still photography is on its heels ... first cell phones...now AI...it's a done turkey.

Most people who photograph use cell phones and don’t think in terms of AI; the people here are not typical.

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Nov 14, 2023 10:57:00   #
Canisdirus
 
rehess wrote:
Most people who photograph use cell phones and don’t think in terms of AI; the people here are not typical.


The people here aren't changing the market...which has spoken.

Any govt. which can...is investing mega money into AI...it's a controlling technology...they are all over it now.

Things will only...accelerate.

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Nov 14, 2023 11:08:55   #
srt101fan
 
Canisdirus wrote:
The market is not sentient is the point...flailing at windmills.

Still photography is on its heels ... first cell phones...now AI...it's a done turkey.


Colonoscopy imaging is a form of photography.....

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Nov 14, 2023 11:15:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rehess wrote:
Most people who photograph use cell phones and don’t think in terms of AI; the people here are not typical.

Agreed.
Many people <here> are steadfast in their perceptions and opinions.
Anchored in granite.

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