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Nov 2, 2023 16:59:43   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
mindzye wrote:
A real time grudge w/Nikon, as (mostly) a lifetime user - bodies and a stable of lenses.
Upgraded to Nikon digital mostly due to the on hand accompanying equipment with the full frame format. Started with an N90s film and worked up with digitals until what I am currently using, the D700.

I sent in a lens to be repaired. They require a cc to temporarily charge for the amount quoted. Fair enough. I agreed. As circumstances changed I requested the repair charge to be on another cc. Not a problem they said, and the other card would be discontinued in their system. Great.

They then charged the changed cc the same amount w/o deleting the original (pre repair amount) on the first card. This put me in a pickle, over this last St. Valentines holiday, and hamstrung me for a date with my wife, as they now had 2 cards charged with the same amount. Apparently they charge the card up front, delete it within a week, and then charge the agreed-to amount upon the confirmation of repair order.

On a 3rd and 4th call they assured me that the charge was only temporary, and that it would come off by the weekend. By early the next week it was off - after being on for close to a week - leaving me in a hard spot over the holiday weekend as they had use of my money without deleting the charge on either card.

No apologies, said the other card couldn't be deleted from their system as previously guaranteed. My question to them; with all of their IT guys, there wasn't one capable, smart enough or with the training of highlighting an entry and hitting delete??? They had said upfront they could, and would be doing so. They didn't state that they were going to charge the new account, slated for the repairs, the upfront charge as well as the charge on the original card. At the same time.

When it came time to agree to the repair, at the same cost they originally quoted, I asked them, how am I guaranteed that both cards won't be used, or even just the original one used, that I couldn't have any additional charge on it? I was told by a 'higher up' that there was no guarantee.

So without any guarantee that both cards wouldn't be accessed, Per the CS rep I spoke with, I refused the repair and had the lens returned. I have lost faith in what I thought was a professional outfit. Yet considering that photography is only 1 of many ventures for Nikon, it apparently isn't high on customer satisfaction, protection, or good business policies.

This leaves me with an extremely sour taste for Nikon. They had use of 2 charges for the same lens on their books to account for their profit, while I was both furious and very disappointed with Nikon repair service and left w/o use of the cards in question for my needs.

When I eventually change to mirrorless, I will be looking at other manufactures' products. I have many Pentax and Minolta lenses from film days.

On a positive note, with Lowe's firing their IT dep't. and moving it to India, Nikon can find someone there that is smart enough to highlight an entry and hit 'delete'.

Maybe they have someone in Nikon that's smart enough to look. It's a big world, certainly there is someone.......
A real time grudge w/Nikon, as (mostly) a lifetime... (show quote)


Pretty common practice with a credit card refund. And any company is gonna charge the new card immediately. The overlap is to be expected. As for removing your credit card it depends on how you did it. You can have payment methods under your Nikon account which you control. You can log in and add or delete payment methods. But you don’t have to. You can just enter payment information at the time. It sounds like this is your issue. Even if you delete a payment method it doesn’t actually delete all the info. That info is linked to all transactions you’ve used it for. Data gets linked to different file systems/data tables and creates an audit trail. That actually protects both you and the company because they can see the history of the transaction. It’s not as simple as a programmer going in and deleting it. That card will always be a part of that transaction history. The chance of both cards getting charged the final total is practically nil, but the guy on the phone wouldn’t say it’s zero and I don’t blame him.

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Nov 2, 2023 17:03:57   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The OP has told us what the question was. Please read the thread. And so far nobody has come up with the definite answer.


And it’s a problem that’s a non-problem. It takes enough force to push the toggle that you’d have to be pretty ham-handed to move it accidentally.

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Nov 2, 2023 17:08:37   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
Somewhere in this thread I did recommend disabling the button that may be causing this. And I do recall once getting kinda nuts when my Oly was doing it. I’d bring the camera up to shoot and the focus point would move all over the place. Turned out it was my nose on the touch screen. Prob solved. But the Oly does have a software menu driven solution. Nikon needs to get this fixed. I’d not have a camera that does this.


I shoot Nikon and Olympus and had the touch screen issues with both and both were easily remedied. I wonder if that’s his actual problem rather than moving the toggle. It’s not that easy to move the toggle accidentally and I wouldn’t want to disable it because I need it to move the focal point.

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Nov 2, 2023 17:09:37   #
mindzye Loc: WV
 
smf85 wrote:
Blame their credit card bank processor, not Nikon. How quickly card authorizations, charges, refunds, holds, and cancellations are processed is determined by the card issuer not the merchant. And issuers vary widely in their policies. There is a large amount of consumer protection legislation but generally front end activities aren’t impacted. As with everything there are exceptions.


Thank you for your reply, and you bring up a legitimate point of the card issuers. Point taken.

W/o beating a dead horse, the issue should not have happened in the first place. And when I was informed by Nikon they could not guarantee the same would not happen when billed for the repair (which they don't until you authorize it), with them having both cards on file, it left me in doubt to the point of major distrust. This is on Nikon, not the card company. What is it in this modern age where a card # can't be deleted??

I no longer trust them and will find alternate sources of repair, if available. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. This mistrust (and quite frankly disappointment), created by Nikon, will lead me to different photography equipment manufacturers. There are certainly other good brands of equipment out there.

But again, I appreciate your info and opinion.

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Nov 2, 2023 17:24:41   #
Chiroman8
 
grandpaw wrote:
I have been shooting Nikon cameras since 1971 and have a question about my Nikon Z6ii camera and have been informed that I have to pay a fee to get an answer or any help. This is utterly ridiculous, un acceptable, and SORRY CUSTOMER SUPPORT!!!!! Very disappointed in Nikon.


Dear Hoggers,

To all people who answered granpaw. I have only one word for us all - (PAX)

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Nov 2, 2023 17:46:24   #
BebuLamar
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
And it’s a problem that’s a non-problem. It takes enough force to push the toggle that you’d have to be pretty ham-handed to move it accidentally.


I wouldn't know. I don't have a Z6 or any Z for that matter. But I never hit the toggle by mistake either.

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Nov 2, 2023 17:49:00   #
JBuckley
 
Just like our local automotive garages....You have to pay to play.

I joined a local camera club a few years ago. The (master) photographers
in the group, have a lot of experience and knowledge about most cameras.

(That's because they have had multiple cameras from 4 or more manufacturers
and over the years, have had, just about every problem or malfunction go
wrong with their gear and had to pay to get repairs. Take advantage of their
skills in a club atmosphere.

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Nov 2, 2023 18:21:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
grandpaw wrote:
I would like to say that I tried Nikon again at 1-800-645-6687 and got customer service at Nikon and there was no charge and the lady worked with me for 45 minutes on the phone and the conclusion was that there is no way to lock the focus point where you want it or disable the toggle switch. The number I called this morning that wanted to charge me said they were Nikon but evidently wasn't the actual Nikon people. There is about twenty things that you can program the center of the toggle to do and it would be nice if they would add a lock the focus option to the list.
I would like to say that I tried Nikon again at 1-... (show quote)


Thanks for the update and clarification. Too bad a solution hasn't been revealed.

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Nov 2, 2023 18:32:41   #
AnotherBob
 
grandpaw wrote:
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I have a Nikon Z6ii and as far as I can determine there is no way to lock the location of the focus point and I find it very annoying and causing me problems........

I can lock my focus on any of my DSLR Nikons with a lever on the back of the camera. It seems to me this could be fixed with a software update.


I feel your pain. I have a Z6, which suits my needs, and budget. Whenever I switch to portrait view and then back to landscape, I find that I have inadvertently moved the focus point into one corner or another. Especially in bright light, it can be a merry chase to find the focus point and quickly move it to where I intend. Not a life threatening problem, just aggravating.

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Nov 2, 2023 18:38:36   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
At the next Chg-Canon FanBoyz Jamboree, we're going to go through the replies in this thread one by one in detail.

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Nov 2, 2023 18:45:33   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
I think the OP got his answer... it can't be locked, right? So without starting a new thread, is the same true of the Z7II? (Before I buy one.)

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Nov 2, 2023 19:05:58   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
At the next Chg-Canon FanBoyz Jamboree, we're going to go through the replies in this thread one by one in detail.



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Nov 2, 2023 19:38:51   #
btbg
 
grandpaw wrote:
Just to let everyone know that I am smart enough to ask here I have already ask in the past and nobody had the answer so I thought I would give Nikon a try. I have ask here and done a lot of research with no results but I will ask again for those that think I wasn't smart enough to ask here first.

I have a Nikon Z6ii and as far as I can determine there is no way to lock the location of the focus point and I find it very annoying and causing me problems. Before I start getting the same answers that I got last time, I know that I can press the toggle button down and make the focus point go back to the center. I shouldn't have to do that constantly every time I pick up my camera. I use back button focus on all of my cameras and the toggle button is right under th BBF button and it gets pressed every time I pick up my camera and place my thumb on the BBF button which in turn touches the toggle button and it moves my focus point. Last time when I ask here I got all kind of remarks about it not bothering other members or how to double press the toggle to get the focus point back to center. If you have this camera and it doesn't bother you I am happy for you but it is annoying to me. I am not an English scholar so please do not take the time to make remarks about how I wrote or punctuated my post. If you do have helpful information I would very much appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time to read this and respond.

I can lock my focus on any of my DSLR nikons with a lever on the back of the camera. It seems to me this could be fixed with a software update.
Just to let everyone know that I am smart enough t... (show quote)


I'm not sure this fixes your entire problem but according to the manual if you press the shutter half way down and then press the center of the sub selector it will lock the focus point for as long as you have the shutter button depressed.

There is no other way I can see to lock the focus point so there is no point sending the camera to Nikon if it is working properly.

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Nov 2, 2023 19:41:02   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
Maybe someone on the forum has an answer for free.

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Nov 2, 2023 19:48:01   #
BebuLamar
 
JeffDavidson wrote:
Maybe someone on the forum has an answer for free.


If you read thru the thread you would know that the OP got the answer but not what he liked. Nikon confirmed that the focus point can not be locked. Also he didn't have to pay. The paying thing was some kind of a scam.

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