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Jul 9, 2023 00:54:51   #
Amadeus Loc: New York
 
I’ve only been here 4 years. Taking pictures over 50 years. I’ve learned more about light, and composition and post processing and a host of other nuances to become a better photographer here. Good people who know more than I do put in a lot of time and effort to help people like me. So in a nutshell, no complaints about UHH.

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Jul 9, 2023 01:16:44   #
Bruce T Loc: Michigan
 
Agree. My first Canon was an FTB.

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Jul 9, 2023 06:43:20   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Amadeus wrote:
I’ve only been here 4 years. Taking pictures over 50 years. I’ve learned more about light, and composition and post processing and a host of other nuances to become a better photographer here. Good people who know more than I do put in a lot of time and effort to help people like me. So in a nutshell, no complaints about UHH.



Agreed, good source for learning.

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Jul 9, 2023 11:31:27   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Red6 wrote:
And I thought ham radio hobbyists were the only ones like this!

Instead of Canon vs Nikon, it's Icom vs Yaesu.

Instead of DSLR vs Mirrorless vs cellphones, it's Transistors vs Tubes (yes, they still argue about this)

Instead of Auto vs Manual, it's SDR vs Conventional


As a licensed amateur radio operator (W5LEP), I can verify that this also extends to railfans (many of whom still do not recognize the BNSF as a legitimate railroad almost 30 years on or the legitimacy of any model made of plastic)) and many other special-interest hobbyests. I believe that the truth is that many practitioners in these special-interest groups grew up as lonely misfits and quite honestly, have never gained the skills or sense of identity that allow them to be part of a group, even a group of people much like themselves.

I have written separately that many years ago, I walked into my local camera shop with money in my pocket to buy (I'm pretty sure) a Canon EOS 20D to replace my Fuji S3Pro. I'd done a lot of reading and thinking and deciding and besides, most of the folks who visited the arboretum where I was a volunteer tram driver carried Canon cameras. The sales associate asked, "Have you considered the Nikon D200?" My reply was that I had not, that the 20D seemed to match what I needed pretty closely. He insisted that I should at least look at the D200 before turning loose of my money, because there was something he thought I should consider. And it turned out that yes, there was a big difference in the location of the Main Control Dial. And that difference was one that would make a big difference to me over time. There were some other differences, also. 2 more MP, for one. (And unlike today, that was when 2 MP was a big deal. The Nikon was weather-sealed, including the buttons. Not true of the Canon.) That's how I ended up with Nikon equipment, and there has never been any legitimate reason to change.

Just so you know, with one exception, every one of my friends at the school where I now spend my days now has and shoots Canon equipment. (The school has entry-level Nikon DSLRs.) These folks have become close friends over the past 7 years. I hope to stay in contact with them as long as I'm alive. Our cameras unite us; they do not divide us. One of them does lust after my D500. I will likely either give her one of mine or buy her a used one someday pretty soon. Another, who now works at a museum, will inherit all of my remaining photographic equipment when something happens to me.

So my personal conclusion is that many here are lonely, sad, and bitter. They treat the very people who are standing ready to break their loneliness with the same disdain and carelessness that has caused it. I call on them to stop being that way, and I call on the rest of us to keep trying to be good neighbors.

By the way...you should check out the OP's signature line and his biography under his profile. I believe he is offering his question as a serious inquiry, or at least offering it with some ironic sarcasm intended to promote serious thought. My post here presumes that assumption and seeks to respond accordingly.

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Jul 9, 2023 16:41:02   #
jcboy3
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
No one ever created a great image while admiring their cameras on the shelf.


Great images of cameras on the shelf?

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Jul 9, 2023 18:31:39   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Great images of cameras on the shelf?


If the first camera loaned to me was a Nikon F1, I would probably using Nikon. My first camera was a Canon AE-1.

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Jul 11, 2023 00:56:17   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
No one ever created a great image while admiring their cameras on the shelf.


And additionally neither did anyone ever create a great image while admiring the camera they were holding in their hand.

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Jul 11, 2023 01:25:23   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
larryepage wrote:
As a licensed amateur radio operator (W5LEP), I can verify that this also extends to railfans (many of whom still do not recognize the BNSF as a legitimate railroad almost 30 years on or the legitimacy of any model made of plastic)) and many other special-interest hobbyests. I believe that the truth is that many practitioners in these special-interest groups grew up as lonely misfits and quite honestly, have never gained the skills or sense of identity that allow them to be part of a group, even a group of people much like themselves.

I have written separately that many years ago, I walked into my local camera shop with money in my pocket to buy (I'm pretty sure) a Canon EOS 20D to replace my Fuji S3Pro. I'd done a lot of reading and thinking and deciding and besides, most of the folks who visited the arboretum where I was a volunteer tram driver carried Canon cameras. The sales associate asked, "Have you considered the Nikon D200?" My reply was that I had not, that the 20D seemed to match what I needed pretty closely. He insisted that I should at least look at the D200 before turning loose of my money, because there was something he thought I should consider. And it turned out that yes, there was a big difference in the location of the Main Control Dial. And that difference was one that would make a big difference to me over time. There were some other differences, also. 2 more MP, for one. (And unlike today, that was when 2 MP was a big deal. The Nikon was weather-sealed, including the buttons. Not true of the Canon.) That's how I ended up with Nikon equipment, and there has never been any legitimate reason to change.

Just so you know, with one exception, every one of my friends at the school where I now spend my days now has and shoots Canon equipment. (The school has entry-level Nikon DSLRs.) These folks have become close friends over the past 7 years. I hope to stay in contact with them as long as I'm alive. Our cameras unite us; they do not divide us. One of them does lust after my D500. I will likely either give her one of mine or buy her a used one someday pretty soon. Another, who now works at a museum, will inherit all of my remaining photographic equipment when something happens to me.

So my personal conclusion is that many here are lonely, sad, and bitter. They treat the very people who are standing ready to break their loneliness with the same disdain and carelessness that has caused it. I call on them to stop being that way, and I call on the rest of us to keep trying to be good neighbors.

By the way...you should check out the OP's signature line and his biography under his profile. I believe he is offering his question as a serious inquiry, or at least offering it with some ironic sarcasm intended to promote serious thought. My post here presumes that assumption and seeks to respond accordingly.
As a licensed amateur radio operator (W5LEP), I ca... (show quote)


I agree with you about there being lonely people on this site. For all of us who have somewhat full lives and for whom this forum is a sidelight, there are others who derive a connection from being on UHH. There are some that make it difficult to feel a sense of camaraderie with such as that old guy from Wisconsin who went to war with everyone over his beloved Sigma cameras, or that fellow from a suburb of Denver who posts all those memes. I know it must be frustrating to post a sincere question and to be almost immediately labeled as "troll". I have said before that if you want to know if someone is a good photographer ask to see their photographs and not their camera. Thank you.

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Jul 11, 2023 01:31:36   #
hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
Amen.

My brother and another attorney were just having this discussion about UHH and why it is showing signs of failing and growing long in the tooth headed to dinosaur status. It for exactly the reason that most of the commentary and posts come from a core group of old guys who rarely post any photos, are constantly badgering new posters, inciting negativity, either due to boredom or shear jealousy because they can no longer hold a camera, have lost their vision both physically or creatively, do nothing to promote photography other than to complain. And they are individuals who opt to remain hidden behind goofy screen names and remain anonymous. Most likely would never say the things they do to a person face to face (especially my brother and I), and have a distinct ability to fail at "keeping peace in the valley". It is one thing to be creative, or have critical thinking. It is another thing to be critical on others and a constant fault finder and crush creative thought processes.

A group of us wish the real owner/administrator of this website would take a long hard look at what's going on and modernize/update UHH to grow it into the jewel it once was. AI may very well be that opportunity. Never stop dreaming.

Jim Eads aka Real Nikon Lover, DBA Pixel Perfect Photography
Est. 2005
Amen. br br My brother and another attorney were... (show quote)



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Jul 11, 2023 01:38:38   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
RodeoMan wrote:
I have said before that if you want to know if someone is a good photographer ask to see their photographs and not their camera.

Your comment reminds me of a few times someone has commented on my photos with, "Wow! You must have a really good camera."

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Jul 11, 2023 01:48:30   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
Amen.

My brother and another attorney were just having this discussion about UHH and why it is showing signs of failing and growing long in the tooth headed to dinosaur status. It for exactly the reason that most of the commentary and posts come from a core group of old guys who rarely post any photos, are constantly badgering new posters, inciting negativity, either due to boredom or shear jealousy because they can no longer hold a camera, have lost their vision both physically or creatively, do nothing to promote photography other than to complain. And they are individuals who opt to remain hidden behind goofy screen names and remain anonymous. Most likely would never say the things they do to a person face to face (especially my brother and I), and have a distinct ability to fail at "keeping peace in the valley". It is one thing to be creative, or have critical thinking. It is another thing to be critical on others and a constant fault finder and crush creative thought processes.

A group of us wish the real owner/administrator of this website would take a long hard look at what's going on and modernize/update UHH to grow it into the jewel it once was. AI may very well be that opportunity. Never stop dreaming.

Jim Eads aka Real Nikon Lover, DBA Pixel Perfect Photography
Est. 2005
Amen. br br My brother and another attorney were... (show quote)


You're right about folks on this forum often being "crosswise" with each other. However this seems to be the case all across the social spectrum. People used to argue about politics very much like they held forth for their favorite sports team. There was energetic advocacy, but at the end of day the Yankee fan was friendly with his Dodger neighbor and the Republican and the Democrat after all their disagreements were also friends on a personal level. It seems rather trivial to be squabbling over cameras when there are so many images out there waiting for someone with a good eye (and heart) to capture them and bring them home. I am not sure how we got to the present state we are in, but will say that anyone who replies ready to assign blame to one side or the other is part of the problem. Thanks./

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Jul 11, 2023 08:34:07   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto: "if you want to know if someone is a good photographer ask to see their photographs and not their camera."

In my experience, examples of good photography often fall short of effective composition, relying instead on reputation and contrivance to promote photographic work.

Worse, writers will tout these subpar examples as signifying a higher understanding of the purpose of photography. This approach must fail in every instance because photography functions as a wordless medium of human expression. Photographers and their work cannot escape this realm of visual artwork.
RodeoMan wrote:
I agree with you about there being lonely people on this site. For all of us who have somewhat full lives and for whom this forum is a sidelight, there are others who derive a connection from being on UHH. There are some that make it difficult to feel a sense of camaraderie with such as that old guy from Wisconsin who went to war with everyone over his beloved Sigma cameras, or that fellow from a suburb of Denver who posts all those memes. I know it must be frustrating to post a sincere question and to be almost immediately labeled as "troll". I have said before that if you want to know if someone is a good photographer ask to see their photographs and not their camera. Thank you.
I agree with you about there being lonely people o... (show quote)

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Jul 11, 2023 13:53:51   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Followers think and talk about problems. Leaders think and talk about camera brands.

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Jul 11, 2023 22:45:09   #
Crowtography Loc: Upstate NY
 
Scruples wrote:
I don’t mind the title. My first Canon was the AE-1 and I love it. Call me brand loyal because all of my cameras are just that!


Same .. Only my first real camera was Canon AV-1 and I loved it! All my cameras since have been Canon

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Jul 12, 2023 12:36:25   #
brentrh Loc: Deltona, FL
 
Have a row of them now I my gallery/office. I am in the business of taking beautiful photographs so they are old tools no longer needed

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