What are the Legitimate Functions of Government ?
Nov 20, 2012 10:00:54 #
Vanderpix wrote:
quote=Bangee5 quote=Vanderpix What kind of gover... (show quote)
I did not ask a question, I ask for your opinion.
Nov 20, 2012 10:13:45 #
Bangee5 wrote:
quote=Vanderpix quote=Bangee5 quote=Vanderpix W... (show quote)
The term "why' usually implies a question even if you did not use a question mark. To learn my opinion you must first answer my questions and then learn to ask me the right questions. Why are you afraid of answering these questions?
Nov 20, 2012 10:15:07 #
You sir sound a lot like some of the fuzzy logic, self described intellectuals at my alma mater UC Berkely. Who instead of attending class would sit out on the building's steps, smoking pot and whinning about everything under the sun. One of those who enjoy's argueing just for the arguments sake.
Nov 20, 2012 10:26:22 #
Vanderpix wrote:
quote=Bangee5 quote=Vanderpix quote=Bangee5 qu... (show quote)
Can't you see that no one is willing to play your stupid game? Stop acting like you think you're Socrates and engage with the rest of us like normal people, instead of acting smug and superior, which you most definitely are not
Nov 20, 2012 10:29:58 #
tschmath wrote:
Can't you see that no one is willing to play your stupid game? Stop acting like you think you're Socrates and engage with the rest of us like normal people, instead of acting smug and superior, which you most definitely are not
Can't you see that no one is willing to play your stupid game? Stop acting like you think you're Socrates and engage with the rest of us like normal people, instead of acting smug and superior, which you most definitely are not
I agree with tschmath. Here's hoping that isn't the onset of dementia.
Nov 20, 2012 10:37:58 #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I agree with tschmath. Here's hoping that isn't the onset of dementia.
tschmath wrote:
Can't you see that no one is willing to play your stupid game? Stop acting like you think you're Socrates and engage with the rest of us like normal people, instead of acting smug and superior, which you most definitely are not
Can't you see that no one is willing to play your stupid game? Stop acting like you think you're Socrates and engage with the rest of us like normal people, instead of acting smug and superior, which you most definitely are not
I agree with tschmath. Here's hoping that isn't the onset of dementia.
C'mon, PrairieSeaons. Reasonable people can come together and amicably disagree, as long as you eventually agree that you were wrong and I was right. What's so hard about that? :D :D :D :D :D
Nov 20, 2012 12:43:48 #
tschmath wrote:
quote=PrairieSeasons quote=tschmath br br Can'... (show quote)
Why the character assassination? Such animosity, such anger, oh the humanity! I merely posed some questions regarding the original post with out judgement to move this page along. Now I am supposed to smug and sanctimonious, bummer. How can does anyone know whether they agree or disagree when I have never expressed an opinion? Why are you all dancing so hard without answering the questions? I assure you i will not answer with "Jane (or John ) you ignorant slut" Excuse me but it's time to take the hemlock :mrgreen: By the way Bmac has had no problem answering questions and seems to have the courage of his convictions 8-)
Nov 20, 2012 19:44:03 #
What I asked for was a description of what, in the opinion of readers in this forum, they consider to be the legitimate functions of government.
All cultures and societies rule people to one degree or another. If you disagree with this, then name a culture or society that does not. To "rule" people one must have laws. It is important for people to know what is allowed and what is not allowed. You cannot live in an anarchist society, no matter how much theoretically you would want to. I have been in a lot of countries and societies, including some very simple ("primitive") ones, and every one of them has laws.
All cultures and societies rule people to one degree or another. If you disagree with this, then name a culture or society that does not. To "rule" people one must have laws. It is important for people to know what is allowed and what is not allowed. You cannot live in an anarchist society, no matter how much theoretically you would want to. I have been in a lot of countries and societies, including some very simple ("primitive") ones, and every one of them has laws.
Bmac wrote:
No, he didn't say that at all. He stated the main function of government not the only function. 8-)
Richard94611 wrote:
In other words, if I understand you correctly, there should be no laws ? Is that what you are saying ?
donrent wrote:
The MAIN and #1 function of the Government is to protect its citizens...
NOT to rule them...
NOT to rule them...
No, he didn't say that at all. He stated the main function of government not the only function. 8-)
Nov 20, 2012 20:00:19 #
[quote=Richard94611]What I asked for was a description of what, in the opinion of readers in this forum, they consider to be the legitimate functions of government.
All cultures and societies rule people to one degree or another. If you disagree with this, then name a culture or society that does not. To "rule" people one must have laws. It is important for people to know what is allowed and what is not allowed. You cannot live in an anarchist society, no matter how much theoretically you would want to. I have been in a lot of countries and societies, including some very simple ("primitive") ones, and every one of them has laws.
I guess my next question would be, how much "law " do you want? Even in a libertarian world described by author L.Neil Smith, there is minimalist government but a high code of ethics. But these ethics seemed to be enforced by society and the free market. So do law and a strong government have to go hand in hand?
All cultures and societies rule people to one degree or another. If you disagree with this, then name a culture or society that does not. To "rule" people one must have laws. It is important for people to know what is allowed and what is not allowed. You cannot live in an anarchist society, no matter how much theoretically you would want to. I have been in a lot of countries and societies, including some very simple ("primitive") ones, and every one of them has laws.
I guess my next question would be, how much "law " do you want? Even in a libertarian world described by author L.Neil Smith, there is minimalist government but a high code of ethics. But these ethics seemed to be enforced by society and the free market. So do law and a strong government have to go hand in hand?
Nov 20, 2012 20:47:02 #
Richard94611 wrote:
What I asked for was a description of what, in the... (show quote)
I am not sure what you are asking for Richard. We are not talking about rules that one must follow like in school but as in to control. Laws in this country are not enacted to control the people but to protect it's people from harm. A dictator wants to rule it's people like an Overlord of sorts. Our President is Elected to lead us. There are rules to control and there are Laws to protect. That's my take on it but am I going in the right direction with your train of thought?
Nov 20, 2012 22:08:25 #
I am not sure what you are asking for Richard. We are not talking about rules that one must follow like in school but as in to control. Laws in this country are not enacted to control the people but to protect it's people from harm. A dictator wants to rule it's people like an Overlord of sorts. Our President is Elected to lead us. There are rules to control and there are Laws to protect. That's my take on it but am I going in the right direction with your train of thought?[/quote]
Actually , not to be a stickler here, but the President is elected to head the executive Branch of the government. Yeah it's evolved into much more since 1789 but He can really make no laws only sign them after passed by Congress. But I digress. So ro continue your point, how do you differentiate between controlling laws and protecting laws? To me their lies the rub. Some would consider, for example, environmental laws, protecting others as controlling. This then leads to the next question, which is more important the rights of the individual or the good of society? And before you ask my opinion on it, I can tell you I do not have the slightest clue which is more important
Actually , not to be a stickler here, but the President is elected to head the executive Branch of the government. Yeah it's evolved into much more since 1789 but He can really make no laws only sign them after passed by Congress. But I digress. So ro continue your point, how do you differentiate between controlling laws and protecting laws? To me their lies the rub. Some would consider, for example, environmental laws, protecting others as controlling. This then leads to the next question, which is more important the rights of the individual or the good of society? And before you ask my opinion on it, I can tell you I do not have the slightest clue which is more important
Nov 21, 2012 00:15:38 #
Vanderpix wrote:
br Actually , not to be a stickler here, but the ... (show quote)
Hate to stir the pot here, but to quote Paul Begala from the Clinton administration regarding executive orders from the president which were initially instated to give the president minimal power for things like days off for federal employees, etc:
"Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."
Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998
Nov 21, 2012 00:18:37 #
Hate to stir the pot here, but to quote Paul Begala from the Clinton administration regarding executive orders from the president which were initially instated to give the president minimal power for things like days off for federal employees, etc:
"Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."
Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998[/quote]
As I said before things have changed since 1789.
"Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."
Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998[/quote]
As I said before things have changed since 1789.
Nov 21, 2012 02:02:12 #
donrent wrote:
The MAIN and #1 function of the Government is to protect its citizens...
NOT to rule them...
NOT to rule them...
Ain't that the truth! Good job! :thumbup: You are correct.
Nov 21, 2012 02:03:11 #
Right now, I believe not enough in the Gov't are doing their jobs. Too many are just there for the money and benefits and ignore the people who put them there.
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