What are the Legitimate Functions of Government ?
Nov 21, 2012 08:21:22 #
photo guy wrote:
Right now, I believe not enough in the Gov't are doing their jobs. Too many are just there for the money and benefits and ignore the people who put them there.
Good Point. Then there is the question of how many governments do we need? City, county, state, federal, is the cost of all these bureaucracies is higher then the services they provide?
Nov 21, 2012 08:28:06 #
There are six functions of Goverment as described in the preamble to the US Constitution:
What they are,
1. To form a more perfect Union,
2. To establish Justice,
3. To insure domestic Tranquility,
4. To provide for the common defense,
5. To promote the general Welfare, and
6. To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
and what they mean,
1. Governance is across the different state boundaries, and keeping the union together
2. Establish legislation and rule of law
3. Establish enforcement of the law - police
4. Establish a means for national defense - standing army or militia to protect us from all foreign and domestic enemies
5. Govern for the common good
6. Govern not just for (and in) the here and now - but with an eye to serving future generations
What they are,
1. To form a more perfect Union,
2. To establish Justice,
3. To insure domestic Tranquility,
4. To provide for the common defense,
5. To promote the general Welfare, and
6. To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
and what they mean,
1. Governance is across the different state boundaries, and keeping the union together
2. Establish legislation and rule of law
3. Establish enforcement of the law - police
4. Establish a means for national defense - standing army or militia to protect us from all foreign and domestic enemies
5. Govern for the common good
6. Govern not just for (and in) the here and now - but with an eye to serving future generations
Nov 21, 2012 08:32:51 #
RLKurth wrote:
There are six functions of Goverment as described in the preamble to the US Constitution:
They are,
1.To form a more perfect Union,
2.To establish Justice,
3.To insure domestic Tranquility,
4.To provide for the common defense,
5.To promote the general Welfare, and
6.To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
They are,
1.To form a more perfect Union,
2.To establish Justice,
3.To insure domestic Tranquility,
4.To provide for the common defense,
5.To promote the general Welfare, and
6.To secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
And the debate on what all those definitions mean exactly is what the problem has been for over 200 years
Nov 21, 2012 08:33:44 #
Vanderpix wrote:
quote=RLKurth There are six functions of Govermen... (show quote)
See post above as I have added to it.
Nov 21, 2012 09:00:24 #
RLKurth wrote:
There are six functions of Goverment as described ... (show quote)
Interesting interpretation, but again open for debate. For example, # three. No where in the constitution is a national police force established. I am not trying to nitpick, just establish that while your definitions, while valid, are subject to debate. It's what kept Constitutional scholars and lawyers employed since 1789 8-)
Nov 21, 2012 09:19:20 #
Vanderpix wrote:
quote=RLKurth There are six functions of Govermen... (show quote)
#3 doesnt specify creating a National Police Force, it just says that the Federal goverment has the power to enforce the Law or police it.
Nov 21, 2012 09:35:33 #
#3 doesnt specify creating a National Police Force, it just says that the Federal goverment has the power to enforce the Law or police it.[/quote]
I was just using that as an example in that all your definitions are subject to debate. In quoting the preamble you are in the area of even more ambiguity then if you quoted the Bill of Rights and all of this has been debated ad naseum for a long time. However you have established what you think government should be doing. Now let someone who disagrees with you debate your points. I am not a constitutional scholar and I don't play one on TV so the ball is in there court
I was just using that as an example in that all your definitions are subject to debate. In quoting the preamble you are in the area of even more ambiguity then if you quoted the Bill of Rights and all of this has been debated ad naseum for a long time. However you have established what you think government should be doing. Now let someone who disagrees with you debate your points. I am not a constitutional scholar and I don't play one on TV so the ball is in there court
Nov 21, 2012 12:36:27 #
RLKURTH wrote:
#3 doesnt specify creating a National Police Force, it just says that the Federal goverment has the power to enforce the Law or police it.
Vanderpix wrote:
I was just using that as an example in that all your definitions are subject to debate. In quoting the preamble you are in the area of even more ambiguity then if you quoted the Bill of Rights and all of this has been debated ad naseum for a long time. However you have established what you think government should be doing. Now let someone who disagrees with you debate your points. I am not a constitutional scholar and I don't play one on TV so the ball is in there court
the ball is in their court
And here I thought Constitutional Scholars could spell. :mrgreen:
Nov 21, 2012 12:40:05 #
RLKurth wrote:
quote=RLKURTH #3 doesnt specify creating a Nation... (show quote)
oops :roll:Not spelling, bad usage or grammer :mrgreen:
Nov 21, 2012 12:42:02 #
Nov 21, 2012 12:43:40 #
Vanderpix wrote:
quote=RLKurth quote=RLKURTH #3 doesnt specify cr... (show quote)
I went to UC Berkely the home of disenfranchisement, so grammar and spelling are all the same to me. :mrgreen:
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