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May 27, 2023 13:32:28   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Any photo editor I have tried was able to work on JPGs 'tho i haven't tried Lightroom. How difficult they are is somewhat different for each user, but 2 months seems short unless you do an awful lot of editing.

One suggestion, whether you shoot RAW or just JPG, I keep the original of every shot I edit in an "Archive" folder. That way, if I later come up with a new technique, I can go back and try it on a clean original.

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May 27, 2023 13:39:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
PHRubin wrote:
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One suggestion, whether you shoot RAW or just JPG, I keep the original of every shot I edit in an "Archive" folder. That way, if I later come up with a new technique, I can go back and try it on a clean original.

I keep the original in the same folder the "modified" files are located. Saves going from folder to folder and having a duplicate folder for all the other folders. I don't do a RAW and JPEG folder either. Modified files have some added connotation in the file name, like 8x10, 5x7, adj, etc. The original file name is untouched. And, they are all in the same place, right nest to each other in the file list.

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May 27, 2023 13:45:40   #
BebuLamar
 
I don't know if you're too old but I think I am (I am 2 years younger than you are) as I can't get over the fact that LR doesn't really know where the files are. It has the catalog of the files where it last updating the catalog but if you move the files it wouldn't know. Also you have to import your files into the catalog before you can work on it. It's like an inventory system where you not allow to use the parts until it's in the inventory. Also often as someone uses the part but not checkout in the inventory then it's inaccurate.
Otherwise it has just about enough image processing power that I need. I don't really need PS but I use PS because I can't stand the LR catalog.

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May 27, 2023 13:58:37   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
At this point, skip the software and keep working on your shooting skills, especially your camera set-up. The colors and pose of this image are wonderful. Alas, the soft focus can be traced to your set-up.

Change from AF-S to AF-C and practice tracking subjects with the shutter half-pressed, to continuously engage the AF. Better yet, configure back-button focus (BBF) and use your thumb to hold focus and your index finger to release the shutter, with your thumb actively pressing / holding the assigned BBF.

Next: learn, practice and achieve the finger dexterity to move / position a selected AF point onto the subject's eye, when possible, or at least the face. This image has a centered AF point on the body, not the eye. If 1 AF point to too hard to track the eye of a moving subject, use any of the 'zone' options, such as a 9-AF box or the slightly larger 12-AF box. Get that box over the subject eyes, the camera will do the rest. That 'dexterity' means changing the AF location with the camera held to your eye in a shooting position.

If you're going to be a JPEG shooter, not a post-processor, change from Adobe RGB to sRGB. Otherwise, you have to process every image before sharing, if for nothing more than correcting the colorspace to the online standard.

As a JPEG shooter, customize your Standard picture control. Bump the sharpening to +4.0 or +5.0. Add some saturation, say +0.5 or +1.0. You have clarity at +1.0, consider Contrast at +0.5 to +1.0. Test how these changes impact your images and fine-tune further, if desired.

This result shows you're in the neighborhood of success. Up your game with these setting updates and technique adjustments. Let the camera make you successful and you're justified in skipping the post processing downstream work.

When you become one with your camera, the magic begins.
At this point, skip the software and keep working ... (show quote)


Paul has given you some good detailed instruction here for tuning your picture control values. Try them and see what happens. You might even want to go a little farther as you get comfortable making the adjustments.

In particular, if you decide to use Active D lighting ( which I suggest you use selectively), you can go even a little further with Contrast. Active-D reduces contrast in the middle tones in order to increase dynamic range. It can be beneficial to play increased Contrast against that to get the best overall effect.

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May 27, 2023 14:16:31   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
If you are aware enough to question your abilities, then you are probably more than capable of handling any photo programs.

For example, who would you rather meet on the road, the old person who questions their ability to see at night or the old person who never considers that possibly their vision isn’t as good as it used to be?

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May 27, 2023 15:08:00   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Sunsetpar wrote:
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgehog, and value the expertise, opinions, and humor I find here. I have a dilemma, and would appreciate your thoughts. Bottom line...am I too old (age 70) to learn, use, and benefit from Lightroom? Put another way, should I shoot RAW + JPEG or just JPEG on my upcoming (mid-August 2023) trip to Brazil to shoot wildlife? A little background-- following a less than stellar photography performance on a trip to Costa Rica this past February, I vowed to improve my skills, and equipment, in an attempt to better deal with low-light (and other light challenges) photography in the wild. To this end, I acquired a Nikon D500 and a 500mm prime lens (the cheap one!) and have been practicing every day to shoot in manual mode, especially in low light. I feel that I am making progress, so I started looking ahead to my trip to Brazil, and the nuts and bolts of shooting and processing the photos I anticipate taking. As I sit here this morning, I am overwhelmed at the prospect of learning Lightroom (or some other PP program) prior to my trip, and am starting to question whether I should even try. After several hours of research (including in the post-processing forum) my mind is boggled. Heck, I am not even sure if I should try to use the Classic version or the cloud version. Right now my gut feeling is that JPEG images are more than sufficient for my needs (I have a website/blog that I created and maintain for my grandchildren and other friends who are interested in archaeology and birds), and I should devote my time to just taking the best JPEG images that I can at point of capture. I feel that I still have most of my wits about me, but I find myself doubting that I have sufficient gray matter to shoot and process RAW. What do you think this old man should do? (PS- attached is a "practice" photo I took a few days ago at a local park on a cloudy day)
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgeho... (show quote)

I am a few years older than you and don’t think a person is ‘too old’ learn anything. On the other hand, many JPGs right out of the camera will be fine after a few minor adjustments.

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May 27, 2023 15:52:12   #
ricardo00
 
Sunsetpar wrote:
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgehog, and value the expertise, opinions, and humor I find here. I have a dilemma, and would appreciate your thoughts. Bottom line...am I too old (age 70) to learn, use, and benefit from Lightroom? Put another way, should I shoot RAW + JPEG or just JPEG on my upcoming (mid-August 2023) trip to Brazil to shoot wildlife? A little background-- following a less than stellar photography performance on a trip to Costa Rica this past February, I vowed to improve my skills, and equipment, in an attempt to better deal with low-light (and other light challenges) photography in the wild. To this end, I acquired a Nikon D500 and a 500mm prime lens (the cheap one!) and have been practicing every day to shoot in manual mode, especially in low light. I feel that I am making progress, so I started looking ahead to my trip to Brazil, and the nuts and bolts of shooting and processing the photos I anticipate taking. As I sit here this morning, I am overwhelmed at the prospect of learning Lightroom (or some other PP program) prior to my trip, and am starting to question whether I should even try. After several hours of research (including in the post-processing forum) my mind is boggled. Heck, I am not even sure if I should try to use the Classic version or the cloud version. Right now my gut feeling is that JPEG images are more than sufficient for my needs (I have a website/blog that I created and maintain for my grandchildren and other friends who are interested in archaeology and birds), and I should devote my time to just taking the best JPEG images that I can at point of capture. I feel that I still have most of my wits about me, but I find myself doubting that I have sufficient gray matter to shoot and process RAW. What do you think this old man should do? (PS- attached is a "practice" photo I took a few days ago at a local park on a cloudy day)
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgeho... (show quote)


Lots of great advice already! A couple other questions/points. Do you have a back-up camera? With a shorter lens? I went to the Pantanal 11 years ago and had two bodies, one with a 70-200mm and the other with a 300mm lens which I occasionally would use with a 1.7TC (so essentially) 500mm, both on cropped bodies. Low light wasn't much of a problem when I went. And a number of shots I took were closer than the 500mm lens you have on the D500 (ie. 750mm equivalent). And you don't want to have to switch lenses while shooting (very dusty in places). We enjoyed it so much that we are going back again this summer so may see you there!
I also shot for many years just JPG though now do shoot RAW but don't use Lightroom/Photoshop (tried to learn too but gave up).

PS. If you want to see the different focal lengths I used, they should show on my flickr album if you are interested (all the jaguar shots used 500mm on my cropped camera):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/60519499@N00/albums/72157631555163075/with/7994796615/

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May 27, 2023 15:53:51   #
gwilliams6
 
First, I am 71 and will be 72 in July. You certainly are NOT too old to learn something new.

Your trip is this August, so no need to put pressure on yourself to learn PS or LR before then, even though you could.

Your D500 has two card slots. IMHO you should shoot raw+jpeg on your Brazil trip. Shoot raw to one card and shoot jpeg to the other. That way you are working with your familiar work flow for your jpegs, BUT if you get some killer shot among your jpegs, you would STILL have a raw file of that same image that you can edit and process at any later time if you get familiar with editing software.

From Mastin Labs: (Note: ignore their shameless product advertising here, but learn some valuable info about raw and jpegs)
(quote) "Shooting in Raw
RAW files are, in essence, “digital negatives." This means they capture and preserve all the data from the camera sensor, giving you all the information you need to adjust an image and perfect it in post processing.

The term, “get the photo right in-camera” is idealistic, but not always realistic.

Ragi relays a personal story from a time when he shot for a photographer who refused to shoot RAW. He shares, “One particular wedding had crazy purple uplights everywhere […] Due to the fast-paced environment of weddings, the lighting isn’t going to be perfect in every shot. So there were hundreds of images where the couple looked purple and there was nothing that could be done to adjust it. JPEG just didn’t have that information. RAW, on the other hand, gives you a fighting chance to change things that might not have been in your control while shooting. It gives you a bit of a safety net.”

As a wedding photographer, or any other kind of photographer, who must shoot in variable lighting scenarios, it’s nearly impossible to get every shot right (and consistent) in-camera. When creating a cohesive and gorgeous photo gallery is important, it’s necessary to shoot in RAW.

Mastin Labs user, Ashlie Neumeier shares her story,:

“I only shot JPEG up until about two weeks ago […] RAW has simply changed. My. Photography. Life. I see a quality difference straight out of camera, and JPEG doesn’t hold a candle to it. I’m kicking myself for not doing it sooner!”

RAW gives you a wide dynamic range and color tonality, allowing you to make adjustments in editing software without affecting parts of the image that you want to preserve as shot. Below are a few of the benefits of shooting in RAW.

Shooting in RAW Offers Better White Balance
For still photos in a studio or landscape shots outdoors, finding the perfect white balance is not a big hurdle—but for wedding photographers, street photographers, and travel photographers, white balance can be a challenge. Thankfully, white balance can be easily altered in post processing when an image is shot in RAW.

RAW Offers More Dynamic Range
When shooting in RAW, details are saved that wouldn’t be visible or retrievable in a JPEG file. Wide dynamic range allows you to salvage details after an image has been taken. For example, you can restore details in the shadows or highlights independently of one another (without risking blow outs, or muddy shadows).

Most Presets Are Optimized for RAW Files
Mastin Labs presets, and most other Lightroom presets are optimized for RAW photos. When asked if it’s possible to edit JPEG files using Mastin Labs presets, Mastin Labs user, Amanda Wohlfelder relays her experience with a second shooter who shot a wedding in JPEG. She admits, “It was so much harder to achieve the look I normally get with my RAW files when using them on her JPEGs.”

Mastin Labs user, Kristi McMurry Woody, echoes her saying, “It works, but it doesn’t actually match the film it’s supposed to [because they’re made] to work with RAW.”

If you plan to use presets on your photos, you have the best chance of achieving the look you desire if you shoot in RAW.

That being said, Mastin Labs now has an option for editing JPEGs, as well! Our mobile profiles are optimized for JPEGs and are available as an add-on to our regular desktop preset packs. This is a great option for photographers who shoot in both RAW and JPEG, and enjoy having the option to edit JPEGS on their mobile devices or on-the-go.

RAW Images Can Be A Lifesaver
Yes, you should always try to get your images right in-camera, but when you fail, shooting in RAW gives you a second chance to salvage your images. You can’t relive a client’s wedding day, a family reunion, or the birth of a baby. Shooting in RAW gives you room to make (and fix) mistakes when taking once-in-a-lifetime photos.

RAW Allows for Non-destructive Editing
Editing a RAW file, unlike a JPEG file, is non-destructive. This means that after you edit a photo, you can always retrieve your original file; you can never permanently alter or destroy your photo. With RAW files, you will also maintain your original photo quality, giving you the opportunity to make large photo prints.

Why Shoot in RAW
Shooting in RAW makes the most sense when shooting in challenging lighting conditions, delivering valuable images to a client, taking images for high-quality print, or anytime you want full control over the final product. JPEGs also have plenty of uses and benefits; they’re great as a small file size backup; for, taking casual, everyday photos; for quickly sharing a preview of a photo shoot with a client; or for expediting your workflow.

The really important thing to consider when choosing to work with RAW or JPEG files is what you plan to do with the images afterwards. Shooting in both RAW and JPEG is a great choice for many photographers. And, since Mastin Labs now offers packs that include both desktop presets optimized for RAW and mobile profiles optimized for JPEGs, you can achieve the same great look on both file types.

Although the pros and cons of each are evident, one fact is indisputable: RAW will always be the safer choice." (end quote)

This trip is likely a bucket-list trip, and you might not be back to Brazil (maybe you will). IMHO if I was you, I would want all my options covered and shooting in Raw+jpeg will give you the best of best worlds, the convenience and familiarity of shooting jpegs, with the added security and bonus of having raw files to get the ultimate out of any killer shots later.

I personally always shoot raw+jpeg for both my personal and professional work, and one key added bonus is I have image redundancy if ever a card gets corrupt , goes bad or gets lost. That is a must for paid work, but also such a stress reliever for my personal work too, at home and when I am traveling.

Cheers and best to you.

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May 27, 2023 16:01:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't know if you're too old but I think I am (I am 2 years younger than you are) as I can't get over the fact that LR doesn't really know where the files are. It has the catalog of the files where it last updating the catalog but if you move the files it wouldn't know. Also you have to import your files into the catalog before you can work on it. It's like an inventory system where you not allow to use the parts until it's in the inventory. Also often as someone uses the part but not checkout in the inventory then it's inaccurate.
Otherwise it has just about enough image processing power that I need. I don't really need PS but I use PS because I can't stand the LR catalog.
I don't know if you're too old but I think I am (I... (show quote)

One reason I use Explorer as my "catalog". I don't use any catalogers.
It's a common "file display system" and I don't have to tell a cataloger where photos reside.
I know where my photos reside (the basis/structure of my filing method).

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May 27, 2023 16:05:25   #
National Park
 
I suggest that you set your camera to shoot both JPEG and RAW. When I started digital photography I shot only JPEGS. Then, some years later, after I learned how to process photos, I wished that I had also shot RAW . If you shoot only JPEG, someday you may wish you had the RAW files....

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May 27, 2023 16:06:47   #
gwilliams6
 
National Park wrote:
I suggest that you set your camera to shoot both JPEG and RAW. When I started digital photography I shot only JPEGS. Then, some years later, after I learned how to process photos, I wished that I had also shot RAW . If you shoot only JPEG, someday you may wish you had the RAW files....


Exactly what I recommended.
Cheers

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May 27, 2023 16:07:30   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Sunsetpar wrote:
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgehog, and value the expertise, opinions, and humor I find here. I have a dilemma, and would appreciate your thoughts. Bottom line...am I too old (age 70) to learn, use, and benefit from Lightroom? Put another way, should I shoot RAW + JPEG or just JPEG on my upcoming (mid-August 2023) trip to Brazil to shoot wildlife? A little background-- following a less than stellar photography performance on a trip to Costa Rica this past February, I vowed to improve my skills, and equipment, in an attempt to better deal with low-light (and other light challenges) photography in the wild. To this end, I acquired a Nikon D500 and a 500mm prime lens (the cheap one!) and have been practicing every day to shoot in manual mode, especially in low light. I feel that I am making progress, so I started looking ahead to my trip to Brazil, and the nuts and bolts of shooting and processing the photos I anticipate taking. As I sit here this morning, I am overwhelmed at the prospect of learning Lightroom (or some other PP program) prior to my trip, and am starting to question whether I should even try. After several hours of research (including in the post-processing forum) my mind is boggled. Heck, I am not even sure if I should try to use the Classic version or the cloud version. Right now my gut feeling is that JPEG images are more than sufficient for my needs (I have a website/blog that I created and maintain for my grandchildren and other friends who are interested in archaeology and birds), and I should devote my time to just taking the best JPEG images that I can at point of capture. I feel that I still have most of my wits about me, but I find myself doubting that I have sufficient gray matter to shoot and process RAW. What do you think this old man should do? (PS- attached is a "practice" photo I took a few days ago at a local park on a cloudy day)
Hi friends. I enjoy my daily dose of Ugly Hedgeho... (show quote)


You're not too old, you young whippersnapper.

It's always good to be in danger of learning something new.

I would recommend shooting raw+jpg. Plenty of time to learn Lightroom (I recommend classic) after the trip. You can show the jpgs of the trip immediately, and learn postprocessing with LrC at the same time. That will give you the opportunity to show your photos of the trip again and show off how much you have learned. You can get two audiences for the photos instead of just one.

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May 27, 2023 16:09:40   #
gwilliams6
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
You're not too old, you young whippersnapper.

It's always good to be in danger of learning something new.

I would recommend shooting raw+jpg. Plenty of time to learn Lightroom (I recommend classic) after the trip. You can show the jpgs of the trip immediately, and learn postprocessing with LrC at the same time. That will give you the opportunity to show your photos of the trip again and show off how much you have learned. You can get two audiences for the photos instead of just one.
You're not too old, you young whippersnapper. br ... (show quote)


My same advice, great minds think alike.
Cheers

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May 27, 2023 16:15:17   #
National Park
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Exactly what I recommended.
Cheers


Brilliant minds think alike!

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May 27, 2023 16:17:05   #
gwilliams6
 
National Park wrote:
Brilliant minds think alike!



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