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May 13, 2023 06:15:08   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I am not a Nikon mirrorless user, I am adding comments already offered by other forum members from my practical standpoint. I do not need a camera with 60 Mp. For my needs 20 Mp are more than enough but I can perfectly understand other photographers need those many pixels, in your case 45.
You seem to be happy with your Nikon Z7 II and from your comments you do not seem to need the new features of the Z8. I hope GAS is not what is driving you to buy the new Z8.

I agree with your decision of waiting. I am sure you have no need for a Z8 right now.

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May 13, 2023 07:20:14   #
Bonsai123 Loc: Puerto Rico
 
To be honest I don’t care about mega pixels still have a D200 D7200 and my lovely d810 and don’t need nothing more

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May 13, 2023 07:21:50   #
Bonsai123 Loc: Puerto Rico
 
D200 photo two weeks ago


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May 13, 2023 10:15:38   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I shoot with a pair of Z6 and a pair of Z9 bodies. My interest in the Z8 is that all my bodies will operate in the same way with a similar muscle memory. Anyone interested in a Z6 or two?

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May 13, 2023 10:52:06   #
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larryepage wrote:
In another discussion I said that very thing. In fact, according to Photons to Photos, the two sensors are identicak in performance above ISO 400. For some reason, the older BSI sensor is a little better (dynamic range) below that.

Ive been trying to learn if it is easier to stack and bond three layers (it's done at the wafer level) or grind off the back of the two layer version. I'd think eliminating the grinding operation would be a good thing.

The benefit Sony claims is that the photodiode sites are larger on the newer sensor. That does sound like a plus...certainly in the context of UHH lore.
In another discussion I said that very thing. In ... (show quote)

Ahhh yessss .... the lore.

Lore is "oral history" but much UHH "vocalization" is just parrot chatter.

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May 13, 2023 10:55:59   #
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Bonsai123 wrote:
To be honest I don’t care about mega pixels still have a D200 D7200 and my lovely d810 and don’t need nothing more

We all dont care about different stuff. Many of us dont care about certain Hawgsters needs for broadcasting their personal "dont care" reactions.

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May 13, 2023 10:57:23   #
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Bonsai123 wrote:
D200 photo two weeks ago

Verrrrrry definitely a D200 photo.

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May 13, 2023 10:58:17   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
User ID wrote:
Ahhh yessss .... the lore.

Lore is "oral history" but much UHH "vocalization" is just parrot chatter.


I was just trying to be respectful by calling it lore. Because so many of us are old.

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May 13, 2023 11:11:59   #
williejoha
 
Take a Tums and you will feel better. Just my O
WJH

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May 13, 2023 12:25:53   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Once one dispenses with all the jargon the decision comes down, not to price. But to results. I have a Z6 and use Z lenses exclusively. My particular interests are portrait and street photography. I don’t use video and I don’t use burst. I don’t even bracket. I do some sports photography but find that my D500 is made for that genre. The three factors to consider are price, want and need, the latter based upon the nature of one’s photography. Am I missing something or should I run to my nearest camera store and put my name on the list for a Z8?

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May 13, 2023 12:37:01   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
nikon123 wrote:
Once one dispenses with all the jargon the decision comes down, not to price. But to results. I have a Z6 and use Z lenses exclusively. My particular interests are portrait and street photography. I don’t use video and I don’t use burst. I don’t even bracket. I do some sports photography but find that my D500 is made for that genre. The three factors to consider are price, want and need, the latter based upon the nature of one’s photography. Am I missing something or should I run to my nearest camera store and put my name on the list for a Z8?
Once one dispenses with all the jargon the decisio... (show quote)


I think mirrorless cameras are a lot like extreme wide angle lenses. If you have a use for them and are willing to learn how to use them to get the benefits, they can be great. Otherwise they are something to lighten the wallet, cause remorse, or sit unused.

The Z8 has some very nice design ideas that other cameras have not, at least not at anything approaching an affordable price. I'm pretty interested in having a mirrorless camera for the first time. But I still need to do more studying and convincing.

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May 13, 2023 12:54:28   #
Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY
 
Bridges wrote:
The storied z8 has finally come about and has everything we hoped it would but here is a question: How much difference does the stacked sensor make? I currently have a z7ii with the mpx. being the same as the z8 am wondering if upgrading would be worth it. Yes, the eye detection is better on the z8 with it being able to detect birds, and even airplanes vs. the 7 which only detects people, dogs, and cats. I do so little with birds, the eye detection alone is not worth the difference. So many of the great reviews really hit on the video capability of this camera and my video usage is 0 (zero). It looks like it has the best video capabilities of the big three with only Panasonic being a competitor in that area but again, I don't care about video. If a stacked sensor is a considerable improvement on the sensor in the z7ii, it will definitely be a factor in whether to upgrade or not. I was hoping the 8 would incorporate the 61 mpx. sensor Nikon has been testing to make it more competitive with Sony's 61 mpx. body. That would definitely be added to the equation. That also tells me that with them holding back on that sensor, to look for a new Nikon flagship to be in the works -- an upgraded z9 with improvements in eye detection and a 61 mpx. sensor -- call it a z1. My guess is that it would come in at around 6500.00 and would eventually eliminate the z9 from the lineup.
The storied z8 has finally come about and has ever... (show quote)


TheZ8 does offer quite a few improvements over the Z7ii, expeed 7 vs expeed 6 processor, 20FPS vs 10 FPS, huge buffer improvement over the Z7ii, better low light AF sensitivity of -7.5EV vs -4EV, and more. Whether you need these or any of the other features the Z8 has that the Z7ii has are totally dependent on what kind of photography yo like to do and shoot. If you don't do any video, do mainly landscapes, cityscapes, family, then the Z7ii may be the right camera for you. You said you don't shoot birds or do video, so those features won't matter too much to you, although they both offer huge improvements over the Z7ii in those areas.

Here are a few video links that may offer some more insight and answer your questions and help you decide.

Steve Perry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fak6fQetpDA&ab_channel=StevePerry

Matt Granger - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=437aCOqaXMs&ab_channel=MattGranger

Ricci Chera - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q2N4BRBDMA&ab_channel=RicciTalks In this video he mentions the difference between the Z8 stacked sensor and the Z7ii sensor... they are not the same. The Z8 sensor reads out 12X faster than the Z7 and the Z7ii.

Photography Life - https://photographylife.com/comparison/nikon-z7-ii-vs-nikon-z8

Hope these help.

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May 13, 2023 13:09:10   #
MJPerini
 
Personally I think the Z7 II is a very under-rated camera, and while I am also sure that the Z8 is a fine camera that adds features (especially video features) I also suspect that Nikon did not go with the 61Mpx because the lower Mpxl sensor was probably better for video.
This is the supposed successor to the vaunted D850, which was and is a superb camera (albeit not so much for video) When it came out it had the best of everything Nikon could offer.
To be the mirrorless successor to the D850 I would have expected that they would further bump the pixel count.
They didn't.
I am sure the Z8 is a great camera, for the purposes you describe it does not seem to be to be an urgent upgrade from the Z7II. If you shot a lot of video, my opinion would be different. If I were you I'd stand pat for a while, maybe buy a lens you always wanted.......

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May 13, 2023 13:54:54   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Vince68 wrote:
TheZ8 does offer quite a few improvements over the Z7ii, expeed 7 vs expeed 6 processor, 20FPS vs 10 FPS, huge buffer improvement over the Z7ii, better low light AF sensitivity of -7.5EV vs -4EV, and more. Whether you need these or any of the other features the Z8 has that the Z7ii has are totally dependent on what kind of photography yo like to do and shoot. If you don't do any video, do mainly landscapes, cityscapes, family, then the Z7ii may be the right camera for you. You said you don't shoot birds or do video, so those features won't matter too much to you, although they both offer huge improvements over the Z7ii in those areas.

Here are a few video links that may offer some more insight and answer your questions and help you decide.

Steve Perry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fak6fQetpDA&ab_channel=StevePerry

Matt Granger - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=437aCOqaXMs&ab_channel=MattGranger

Ricci Chera - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q2N4BRBDMA&ab_channel=RicciTalks In this video he mentions the difference between the Z8 stacked sensor and the Z7ii sensor... they are not the same. The Z8 sensor reads out 12X faster than the Z7 and the Z7ii.

Photography Life - https://photographylife.com/comparison/nikon-z7-ii-vs-nikon-z8

Hope these help.
TheZ8 does offer quite a few improvements over the... (show quote)


Here is another real world Z8 review. Looks like a Z9 but lighter, mostly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3Z8piSl3k

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May 13, 2023 14:05:46   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
MJPerini wrote:
Personally I think the Z7 II is a very under-rated camera, and while I am also sure that the Z8 is a fine camera that adds features (especially video features) I also suspect that Nikon did not go with the 61Mpx because the lower Mpxl sensor was probably better for video.
This is the supposed successor to the vaunted D850, which was and is a superb camera (albeit not so much for video) When it came out it had the best of everything Nikon could offer.
To be the mirrorless successor to the D850 I would have expected that they would further bump the pixel count.
They didn't.
I am sure the Z8 is a great camera, for the purposes you describe it does not seem to be to be an urgent upgrade from the Z7II. If you shot a lot of video, my opinion would be different. If I were you I'd stand pat for a while, maybe buy a lens you always wanted.......
Personally I think the Z7 II is a very under-rated... (show quote)


I think that a realization is developing that for many people, there is a point where "enough is simply enough" on pixel count. I have a D850 and have learned that 45 MP is sometimes, in fact, too much. I have a D500 for those occasions which, by the way, extend way beyond just sports and wildlife. I am one of those who has been waiting for the Z8 and will tell you that if it had come with 61MP, my desire would have been quenched immediately. There is a lot more to a camera than pixel count, just like there is a lot more to a lens than just focal length and maximum f/stop.

The sensor, which seems to be the same as or very similar to the one in the Z9, is once again a new technology. New processes are required to make it, and lots of new learning will be required to scale it up. On the other hand, the new technology can probably support increasing pixel count by a factor of as much as 4. Would somewhere between 90 and 180 MP be sufficient for your needs?

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