Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Except the Canon combined price is still substantially lower than Sony/Nikon who include that 20 cent hood (Free)

OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA

The team's having a pretty good year this year. A lot of their players, including the coach, have gotten recognition in the conference. They're currently waiting to see how they fare in the picks for the NCAA championships.

Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore

Canon has superior customer service on everything they make

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

gwilliams6

Exactly, so did all of my Sony lenses as well as all my E-mount lenses from Sigma and Tamron too. They all came with a lens hood at no extra cost.

There is no reason for Canon to diss its buyers by making them have to purchase a lens hood separately. And that has NOTHING to do with Canon quality or their place in the market. Just greed.

I was a Canon pro user for 40 years and left them due in part to them not taking care of their customers. The bigger they got, the less they seemed to care. Never going back to Canon.

Cheers and best to you.

gwilliams6

Canon fanboy strikes again, LOL I was a Canon fanboy for four decades, not so much now.

I was never envious of Canon, I used them for over 40 years, but as they got bigger they seemed to lose caring about customers.

FYI, Canon's revenues from all their imaging products was $5.11 Billion USD in the last reported year.
Sony's imaging products revenues for the same last reported year were $8.44 Billion USD. Sony imaging products made more revenue than Canon and Nikon combined. And no that isn't the entire figure for all of Sony Corp. Sony's total corporation revenues for last reported year were $85 Billion USD, yes $85 Billion USD.

And for the record, yes Canon leads in total camera sales, but as many have noted including Tony Northrup in his latest review of all makers, more than half of Canon sales are in DSLRs. As far as all mirrorless camera sales, CIPA numbers show Canon still #2 behind Sony, and Sony also has a huge lead in sales of fullframe mirrorless cameras too.

And as far as them leading the pro market, not so much either . All top major news services have moved to either Sony or Nikon mirrorless for all their staff photographers and staff videographers worldwide, none moved to Canon mirrorless. In fact most of the DSLRs that these news services dumped were Canon DSLRs. Just the facts.

Associated Press, UK Press, Canadian Press, all Gannett media including USA Today have gone to Sony mirrorless for all their staff photographers and staff videographers, worldwide. And AFP (Agence France Presse) has gone to the mirrorless Nikon Z9 for all their staffers worldwide.

And none chose Sony and Nikon because they bid lower than Canon. I know from the top folks at Associated Press (I shot for them for years) that Canon had similar bids. They chose Sony and Nikon for more important reasons: read what they said.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/sony-is-now-the-exclusive-camera-provider-for-gannett-and-usa-today/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4545693607/the-uk-largest-news-agency-partners-with-sony

https://petapixel.com/2022/01/31/canadas-largest-news-organization-moves-exclusively-to-sony-cameras/#:~:text=Canada's%20Largest%20News%20Agency%20Moves%20Exclusively%20to%20Sony%20Cameras,-Jan%2031%2C%202022&text=The%20Canadian%20Press%2C%20the%20largest,provider%20for%20the%20media%20company.

https://petapixel.com/2022/06/09/how-pro-photographers-helped-make-the-z9-from-prototype-to-flagship/

I am sure they are getting lens hoods with all their Sony and Nikon lenses.

What matters is how you take care of your customers, not how big you are. Something as simple as including a lens hood with every lens is just the right thing to do. Canon has gotten so big they seem to have forgotten how to take care of folks.

It is fine if you love Canon, but part of why many left Canon for other brands is because of how poorly they took care of their needs, and the cripple hammer they often put on their own gear.

Cheers and best to you.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Yes, and your Sony lenses cost far more than the Canon lenses plus the purchase of the Canon hood. So Canon is allowing you to choose to buy or not buy a hood.
Sony forces you to pay for a hood and jack the price of the lens up $100 higher than the Canon lens plus the hood cost.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

At the Pentax Forum, there is a lot of joking about cameras seen ‘in the wild’ with the hood on backwards - exactly as delivered. Apparently the user has no understanding of why the hood is present. Perhaps Canon is just saving these people a few cents.

Ed Chu Loc: Las Vegas NV

Already said that: Canon hood for RF 100-400 is $54.95; Amazon has a generic for $13.95

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Good news. My boss was there about the same time you were and is always lobbying the administration to improve the hockey program.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

rfarris1 Loc: Maryland, USA

I have owned Canon cameras and lenses for several decades now. I don’t ever recall getting a lens hood with a Canon lens in that time. Sigma and Tamron do provide a lens hood with their lenses.

OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA

As I've related in another thread, I consider what Sony did after they bought Minolta's camera division was brilliant. One of the last high end amateur cameras that Minolta sold was the Minolta DIMAGE 7Hi (shown below).

Shortly after Sony's acquisition of Minolta's camera division, virtually all of the camera's from most all vendors, which used a 5 MP sensor, started to fail, which included the Minolta DIMAGE 7Hi. The images began to look like they were melting ending up with mostly multicolored vertical streaks. I bought the camera in 2003 and it was in 2006 that the sensor failed. I tried contacting Minolta and that's when I learned that Sony had purchased the camera division of Minolta.

During my search, I read about the problems that the various camera manufactures had had with those 5 MP sensors and there was a link to a Sony site where they were handling the problem. What they did was to make a straight-up offer that if you still had the receipt for the purchase of the Minolta camera that they would reimburse you for the full selling price, not matter when it was purchased. For people without a copy of their receipt, they offered to swap the nonworking Minolta DIMAGE 7Hi for a close to equivalent Sony camera. All you had to do was fill out this on-line form with info such as when and where you bought the camera and the serial number. After verifying that this was a camera covered by the offer, they emailed you a prepaid USPS Priority Mail shipping label and after they had received the old camera, the replacement was shipped to you, in this case, a Sony DSC-H2 (also shown below).

Now this was actually a step-up from the Minolta that it replaced, having a 6 MP sensor and a 12X zoom versus the 7X on the Minolta. Also it had Sony's steady-shot technology and although I didn't use it often, it was a great video camera. The old Minolta, while it took videos, they were limited to about 58 seconds long and you couldn't change the zoom lens while filming. With the Sony, the length of the video was only limited by size of the memory card or amount charge in the batteries, and you could use the zoom. The only downside was that is was it had a chrome body, and so it looked like an amateur camera, not like the black, professional-looking Minolta. But it was free and it served its purpose. I was still using it six years later, even after as I had purchased my first DSLR (it traveled better).

And speaking of DLSR's, this is why what Sony did was brilliant. Now when it came to still photography, Minolta was way ahead of Sony, and they had just released their first DSLR when they were acquired by Sony. Sony immediately stopped production and redesigned it. Now they left about 90% of the old Minolta design intact, only adding their steady-state technology and re-badging it a Sony A100, which had a 10 MP sensor. This is the DSLR that I bought, and I could still use some of my old Minolta accessories, such as the remote cable release, eyepiece magnifier, right-angle eyepiece adapter, and more importantly, my Minolta flash unit. At the time, Minolta had a unique flashshoe and so you could only Minolta flash units, and at least for that DLSR they kept it (later models used a more standard flashshoe). Anyway, this was a no-brainier, and this is why I said what Sony did was brilliant. I was now a life long Sony user.

And since then, in addition to that first Sony A100 DSLR, I upgraded a few year later to a Sony A65, which has a 24 MP sensor. It was shortly after that that I sort of went mirrorless, first when I bought my wife a Sony NEX-3N, 14 MP (I offered her my Sony A100 but she complained that it was too heavy). When I was traveling I started to take the mirrorless Sony with me and eventually decided to go mirrorless full time and that's when I bought a Sony a6000, which basically had the same size sensor as the A65 DLSR, at 24 MP, but weights half as much and the lens were more compact. I'm now I'm using a Sony a6500 as my mainline camera.

Note that the old Sony NEX-3N started to act-up so a couple of years ago, I bought my wife a Sony Sony DSC-HX400V, but now that she's gotten an iPhone 13 Pro Max, she uses it as her go-to camera.

So that makes seven Sony cameras that I've had, the first replacement, which was free, and then six more that I've purchased. Not a bad return on their investment, eh?

The Minolta DIMAGE 7Hi


The Sony DSC-H2 that replaced the Minolta

gwilliams6

Dont know where you get your research, my best Sony mirrorless lenses cost less than the best Canon mirrorless RF lenses. Sony doesn't make DSLR lenses so you cant compare Sony mirrorless lens costs with older Canon DSLR lens costs.

And Sony users have the best of quality third-party mirrorless E-mount lenses, over 200 lenses and counting from Sony and third-party lens makers like Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Zeiss, Viltrox, Tokina, Meike and more, and those quality third-party mirrorless E-mount lenses ALL cost less than comparable Canon mirrorless RF lenses.

Canon forbids its buyers from having any more affordable third-party RF mirrorless lenses, locking Canon R camera users into either buying their cheap RF kit lenses, or their expensive top quality RF lenses. That move by Canon is costing it R-camera and RF lens buyers around the world. Canon's cripple hammer strikes again.

Feel free to look up prices of these mirrorless E-mount lenses and compare them with the prices of comparable mirrorless Canon RF lenses. Educate yourself. Then come back here with some facts to back up your claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_Sony_E-mount_lenses

Again you have no facts to back up your claims. I will continue to post facts not fiction. Keep trying to make up fake excuses to justify Canon not supplying lens hoods with its lenses. There is no excuse, and most folks know that. Just like their ban on any competing third-party RF lenses, it is all about more profit.

Cheers and best to you.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Give the Sony versus Canon nonsense a rest. It is really tiresome.