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Mar 10, 2023 08:51:04   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
ELNikkor wrote:
Driving by a "found-in-the-house" neighborhood sale, stopped to find a camera bag with almost unused EOS Rebel SLR with kit lens, $20. Just before buying, looked in a pouch and found this pristine Kodak Z627 with 35-420 equivalent zoom, 6mp, 12 oz. Seller said, "Just take it, bonus!" (Turns out, nowadays, these old space-age-looking cameras are in vogue with some rich elite youth who want to impress their friends that they have flashy cameras that are cooler than those boring, flat cell phone cameras.)
So, yeah, I'll take photos with this older camera on walks with my wife, or daily life photos, don't need more than 3mp for these shots anyhow. (The photo of the camera is less than 600kb, and works here...)
Driving by a "found-in-the-house" neighb... (show quote)


Two nice finds. Your experience is why I avoid yard sales. I have a very low resistance level.

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Mar 10, 2023 08:55:17   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
Red6 wrote:
Move a few times and you will understand. I have moved around 7 times in the last 22 years and each time I decide to part ways with more "stuff". Each time I move I embrace the concept of minimalism a little bit more. In the last 10 years, my wife and I have gone from a four-bedroom house with a 2-car garage to a three-bedroom condo to a one-bedroom cottage. This summer we are moving to a one-bedroom apartment.

I figure that in another 5 years, we will be down to a suitcase each and my camera bag, possibly living in an RV on a beach somewhere.
Move a few times and you will understand. I have ... (show quote)



Iโ€™m a firm believer in the minimalist approach. ๐Ÿ‘

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Mar 10, 2023 09:40:09   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
When I go from teaching my Digital Photography or Photojournalism classes and teach my 35mm B&W film class I get an instant return to the beginnings of my professional career, decades ago. It is a revelation about how far the gear and gear experience has changed.

But what doesn't change for me is the creative thinking process to making great compositions, capturing the right moment and knowing a thing or two about exposure and lighting along the way. And the anticipation and anxiety of having to wait until the film is developed and those negatives are on the light table to see what you have, is a great pause for both me and my university students in our world of instant image gratification.

I am happy to exist in both worlds of photography, on the cutting edge of the best of the latest tech, but also still having my hands on teaching, preserving and passing on first-hand the history of photography, and exposing young creative minds to another "new" creative medium.

And amazingly after weeks of their struggles and learning curves with the cameras, film, developing and printing processes, most of my 35mm B&W film class students come to embrace it as a "cool" thing by the end of the semester. And many then buy their own used SLR or rangefinder film cameras to add to their favorite smartphones.

Personally I still have a one of my old SLRs a Canon F1, and one of my old DSLRs a Nikon D3, but I have sold all my other DSLRs and earlier mirrorless cameras as I upgraded to better performing mirrorless models for my professional and personal work. I still get to use some older model DLSR and mirrorless cameras that we have in the university camera/lens kits for use by our photo students. I have to keep up with how they all work to help my students learn how to master the use of them.

Cheers and best to you all.
When I go from teaching my Digital Photography or ... (show quote)


Same here with my college students... I just can't seem to part with my Exakta VX 1000. Or Rollie 35

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Mar 10, 2023 09:44:50   #
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Dr.CalebRodriguez wrote:
Good point. Just saying.

Thank you !!!

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Mar 10, 2023 10:03:01   #
Canisdirus
 
In the digital era...holding on will drop performance...period.

Now if you don't care about that...fire away.

Todays lenses are built ...different...better...the designs are more complicated...which costs coin...but yields much improved results.
Bodies...it gets even worse holding onto to older ones.


Will folks online tell you it doesn't matter? Sure...folks will say almost anything to maintain their own perspective...myself included.

But those are opinions...and are fine...but not when they conflict with the data.

The data has spoken...quite clearly.

The analog and dslr pace was glacial...glacial.

The digital pace is like greyhound racing...

Choose whatever you like...but there is always a price to be paid...either way.

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Mar 10, 2023 10:20:18   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If an old camera is the only tool you have in your bag of tricks, you need a new bag.

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Mar 10, 2023 10:48:26   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I agree about some old cars are fun to drive as well as old planes.
But like most new things I would rather drive a recent modern car or fly in a more modern plane or use a more modern camera.
I would imagine, for example, a R3 is far superior for fast sports, BIF etc. than a Nikon F or a Sinar view camera even though they might be fun to use.


FUN and PLEASURE.....are my key motivators for my photographic endeavor and interest. Without them, I have no reasons to do it! I still have fun/pleasure with functioning cameras I haven't sold......yet That doesn't mean I don't enjoy and appreciate the use of my newer advanced photo equipment.....which I do immensely! But, once in a while.....I'll give the old, or not so old, cameras a turn at bat.....still FUN with good results

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Mar 10, 2023 10:52:34   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
About the only old gear are my mechanics tools because they haven't made anything better to do the job, and firearms because the oldies need love & other reasons๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž


I will agree the original (Final design) Mauser action is still as relevant today as when it was introduced as is the 1911 also.

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Mar 10, 2023 10:58:57   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
Canisdirus wrote:
In the digital era...holding on will drop performance...period.

Now if you don't care about that...fire away.

Todays lenses are built ...different...better...the designs are more complicated...which costs coin...but yields much improved results.
Bodies...it gets even worse holding onto to older ones.


Will folks online tell you it doesn't matter? Sure...folks will say almost anything to maintain their own perspective...myself included.

But those are opinions...and are fine...but not when they conflict with the data.

The data has spoken...quite clearly.

The analog and dslr pace was glacial...glacial.

The digital pace is like greyhound racing...

Choose whatever you like...but there is always a price to be paid...either way.
In the digital era...holding on will drop performa... (show quote)


This thread-subject IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY....there is no disagreement. It's about the (fun) experience of using older cameras........that's all!

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Mar 10, 2023 11:01:34   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If an old camera is the only tool you have in your bag of tricks, you need a new bag.


I'd rather get another NEW CAMERA in an old bag

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Mar 10, 2023 11:04:42   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
When new gear replaces your old gear, sell your old gear.

It is great - and familiar - backup.

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Mar 10, 2023 11:10:41   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
When I go from teaching my Digital Photography or Photojournalism classes and teach my 35mm B&W film class I get an instant return to the beginnings of my professional career, decades ago. It is a revelation about how far the gear and gear experience has changed.

But what doesn't change for me is the creative thinking process to making great compositions, capturing the right moment and knowing a thing or two about exposure and lighting along the way. And the anticipation and anxiety of having to wait until the film is developed and those negatives are on the light table to see what you have, is a great pause for both me and my university students in our world of instant image gratification.

I am happy to exist in both worlds of photography, on the cutting edge of the best of the latest tech, but also still having my hands on teaching, preserving and passing on first-hand the history of photography, and exposing young creative minds to another "new" creative medium.

And amazingly after weeks of their struggles and learning curves with the cameras, film, developing and printing processes, most of my 35mm B&W film class students come to embrace it as a "cool" thing by the end of the semester. And many then buy their own used SLR or rangefinder film cameras to add to their favorite smartphones.

Personally I still have a one of my old SLRs a Canon F1, and one of my old DSLRs a Nikon D3, but I have sold all my other DSLRs and earlier mirrorless cameras as I upgraded to better performing mirrorless models for my professional and personal work. I still get to use some older model DLSR and mirrorless cameras that we have in the university camera/lens kits for use by our photo students. I have to keep up with how they all work to help my students learn how to master the use of them.

Cheers and best to you all.
When I go from teaching my Digital Photography or ... (show quote)


"But what doesn't change for me is the creative thinking process to making great compositions, capturing the right moment and knowing a thing or two about exposure and lighting along the way".

Compensating for the limitations of older cameras will/can make you think about the photo process a little more The most important part of the process is our Brains

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Mar 10, 2023 11:10:49   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
RonDavis wrote:
This thread-subject IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY....there is no disagreement. It's about the (fun) experience of using older cameras........that's all!



They are fun once in a while.
I shoot a Trapdoor once in a while for nostalgia but far more enjoy a customized M16 on the range.

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Mar 10, 2023 11:17:33   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
The camera could be old, the person using the camera could be old but still it is the photographer who drives the camera.
I see nothing wrong with old gear, I myself use old cameras and lenses all the time.

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Mar 10, 2023 11:22:20   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
There's probably two aspects of this question in a 2023 Digital Age: a, the cameras and b, the lenses.

Personally, I actively shoot circa 1980s manual focus lenses on modern digital mirrorless bodies. One of my favorite AF-capable lenses is a circa 1987 original 50mm f/1.8 lens. My manual focus camera bodies (film) have all been sold off. I never could focus the same lenses on those cameras as I can on mirrorless with the multiple focusing assist tools. For digital bodies, someone earlier said something along the lines of why would you keep a DSLR with less pixel resolution, poor noise performance, smaller LCDs, slower frames per second, smaller buffers, and any other technical limitation vs your best equipment?
There's probably two aspects of this question in a... (show quote)


It's good to have a range of USEFUL equipment....old or new. As long as you have fun getting the desired results....why use them.

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