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Mar 11, 2023 20:45:33   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Old shots are not the same as shooting old gear.


And old beer is just terrible. Have to stick with old shots.

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Mar 11, 2023 20:56:57   #
OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA
 
radiojohn wrote:

About 15 years ago I grabbed an equally tiny Sony U-10 that was about the same size, was 2 MP resolution and had a tiny screen on the back smaller than a 1/2 frame negative.


My smallest camera is a Canon IXUS V, 2.1 Mp I bought in 2001. It's a bit bigger than your Sony CyberShot DSC-U10, but not by much (87 × 57 × 26.9 mm versus 84.5 x 40 x 38.6 mm). It was a great pocket camera which I carried all over the world (took nearly 2,400 images with it). I've still got it somewhere in a drawer someplace, but not sure if it still works (the last picture I took with it was in 2013).

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Mar 11, 2023 21:34:13   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Had the Minox, couldn't get the tiny film cartridges.
Same problem with the little cameras from Times Square.

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Mar 11, 2023 23:21:49   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Hey Rodeo, to your question for roughly: do the results of old digital cameras compare favorably to new? Well, it depends.

"Look" in a digital format is a combination of the lens and the processing. The camera just contributes the RAW data, maybe a high(er) frames per second giving more possible frames to have that single great image. Otherwise, it comes down to how much data you can open up into your digital editor, more pixels at a deeper bit-depth being better than less.

The film to digital comparison is about 20MP for 35mm film in "resolution" and medium format film mapping roughly to 75MP sensors. So those old film prints were (are) actually superior in detail to DSLRs until relatively recently.

I'm not dismissing old equipment for simply being old. If the camera is perfect for the job, it's the right camera. But, most old digital cameras are just old, inferior, digital cameras. They have tiny digital sensors and miserable noise performance. The entry-level models have few external controls and even the old pro-level models have micro-size LCD screens. But, once the industry got into 16MP range, those cameras are as good as needed and their results are difficult to distinguish from cameras through the 24MP range, unless you need to crop into the details, where again, more is better.

As I've noted many times, the UHH community is mostly populated with a bunch of retirees with more time and money than sense. Keeping up with this bunch of Joneses is a fool's errand. I fell into this trap a bit when changing to the EOS 5DIII. But, I stopped that upgrade cycle there, now approaching 10 years ago. Cameras in this age and resolution now sell around $600 used, even with shutter usage sub 10K.

Coming back to your question I posted some 10MP to 22MP comparisons a few weeks ago, where for some comparison images, I prefer the 10MP result. Although looking at / re-editing old images is an enjoyable exercise, for me, I have no interest in handling that old camera.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-765086-1.html
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Hey Rodeo, to your question for roughly: do the re... (show quote)


Thanks, I remember having looked at your comparison images when you first posted them. Ultimately the best camera, I suppose, is the one that comes the closest to consistently producing the desired results at an affordable price. You write that you have no interest in [handling old cameras]. There are many in this discussion (and I suspect in the entire UHH community, probably most, who agree with you, but there is still a minority who find some sort of enjoyment in using the older equipment; perhaps a tactile connection to past photographic experiences. if that works for them, then great.

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Mar 17, 2023 16:35:42   #
AzatVi Loc: AZ
 
Great response, I never considered folks using iPhones as photographers. They may be capturing images and memories but they are not to my mind taking photographs.My first camera was a used German made SL film camera, of course that was 65 years ago and my Grandmother was taking pictures with an old Kodak box camera.
If you are just pressing the shutter and letting the camera do it's thing, are you really a photographer? I don't think Ansel Adams would think so, for Ansel the final product was created in the darkroom.

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Mar 17, 2023 20:05:29   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
AzatVi wrote:
Great response, I never considered folks using iPhones as photographers. They may be capturing images and memories but they are not to my mind taking photographs.My first camera was a used German made SL film camera, of course that was 65 years ago and my Grandmother was taking pictures with an old Kodak box camera.
If you are just pressing the shutter and letting the camera do it's thing, are you really a photographer? I don't think Ansel Adams would think so, for Ansel the final product was created in the darkroom.
Great response, I never considered folks using iPh... (show quote)


I am not sure if your response was to agree with me, but I am going to take some issue with your agreement if that was your intent. Regardless of the camera used or the preparation taken prior to the capture or the time and effort spent on post processing, ultimately isn't whether or not an image is a good one dependent upon the image itself? In other words if you want to know if any photograph is a good one, you have to look between the four corners of the image itself? When we are asking whether a woman is pretty or a man is handsome, do we inquire about their parents, although I suppose like with Ansel the final product many times was created in a "dark room".

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Mar 17, 2023 20:09:14   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
AzatVi wrote:
Great response, I never considered folks using iPhones as photographers. They may be capturing images and memories but they are not to my mind taking photographs.My first camera was a used German made SL film camera, of course that was 65 years ago and my Grandmother was taking pictures with an old Kodak box camera.
If you are just pressing the shutter and letting the camera do it's thing, are you really a photographer? I don't think Ansel Adams would think so, for Ansel the final product was created in the darkroom.
Great response, I never considered folks using iPh... (show quote)

A serious photographer w/o his real gear does put some effort into composition.
I'm sure Adams could make a cell phone hum.

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Mar 18, 2023 15:36:40   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
My feeling is that this discussion of a "Real Photographer" sometimes leaves out the ART of Photography. There is a Heavy Metal contingent here that feels that a good image REQUIRES tens of thousands of $ in cameras, computer equipment & programs in order to create valid images.
I DID study Photography @ a HBCU [Bowie State] where we had to scrounge our own 35mm cameras and could only process B/W film & prints due to budget...
I STILL learned the ART of photography.

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Mar 18, 2023 15:37:55   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
delder wrote:
My feeling is that this discussion of a "Real Photographer" sometimes leaves out the ART of Photography. There is a Heavy Metal contingent here that feels that a good image REQUIRES tens of thousands of $ in cameras, computer equipment & programs in order to create valid images.
I DID study Photography @ a HBCU [Bowie State] where we had to scrounge our own 35mm cameras and could only process B/W film & prints due to budget...
I STILL learned the ART of photography.



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Mar 18, 2023 16:15:38   #
SteveInConverse Loc: South Texas
 
I like my older stuff and it does what I need and delivers every time. My "newest" camera is the Canon 80D...still ancient by today's standards. I have a couple of modern lenses that are still in current production.

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Mar 18, 2023 18:21:09   #
BebuLamar
 
Sidwalkastronomy wrote:
A serious photographer w/o his real gear does put some effort into composition.
I'm sure Adams could make a cell phone hum.


It's easy to make a cell phone hum. Just pick the right ring tone.

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Mar 18, 2023 19:03:10   #
OldCADuser Loc: Irvine, CA
 
Groan

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Mar 18, 2023 21:08:05   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
BebuLamar wrote:
It's easy to make a cell phone hum. Just pick the right ring tone.


And unlike cameras you can change tones for free and not
10 Grand

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Mar 18, 2023 21:57:03   #
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BebuLamar wrote:
It's easy to make a cell phone hum. Just pick the right ring tone.

Or you could just kill the ringer and set it on vibrate. Its a kinda quiet hum though. But even silly old Ansel could do that ;-)

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