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Mar 10, 2023 13:17:48   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
harveyalt wrote:
Production of natural gas releases large amounts of methane into the atmosphere, both at the well head and during transmission.

I don't know about being lucky to have a nuke in my backyard. When I lived on Long Island, I had the Shoreham plant 13 miles away. It was a total disaster. Luckily, it was dismantled before delivering it's first kW of power. The project, well behind schedule and monstrously over budget, was mismanaged from day one. Corners were being cut and numerous coverups of errors and defects were found during government inspection. Company management, knowing full well that they were not going to get an operating license, ran a test which contaminated the reactor, driving the cost of dismantling up by orders of magnitude. Fortunately, Palo Verde is quite the opposite. It is the largest in the country and well run. It supplies power to AZ, CA and NV.

It is highly unlikely that many nukes will be built. Aside from the cost and time it takes to build them, there is a justifiable fear associated with them. I am aware that there is a new design type that is self limiting, and "cannot" run away, but that fact will get buried in the noise when an application for such a plant is made.

Why would you assume that just because we live in the desert that no one cares if we build wind or solar farms? The desert is far from a wasteland. It has an amazing ecology and stunning beauty. Every application for solar or wind get the same amount of opposition as an application in any other place.

As EVs propagate, there will be less need for gasoline, and fewer places to buy it. You might even need an app to find your nearest gas station. That will drive the prices up. You might even have a problem finding a place to repair your car. With fewer gas cars on the road, there will be fewer places to service them.

Before you point out the expense of battery replacement, I will tell you that the battery warranty on my car is that the battery will retain greater than 70% of capacity for 8 years and 120,000 miles. Most of the older Teslas on the road have passed 150,000 miles and still retain high capacity. By the time 8 years go by, I will probably want a new car, if for no other reason than taking advantage of technology advances beyond those that Tesla now downloads to us periodically.
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It's obvious this discussion has reached a loggerhead. Further discussion will not change that. Trust you will enjoy your EV.

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Mar 10, 2023 13:49:04   #
Harold Stetson Loc: Marquam 97038
 
My friend that I have talked about who owns an EV said that if he had it to do over he would possibly lease. He said technology is changing so rapidly that he would allow the lease company to swallow the tech change rather than worry about it himself. I am a farm boy and never considered a lease as viable but I think he has a great point.
In fact more and more farmers are going to lease as the equipment is so expensive to repair and so proprietary. They lease to avoid repair bills and having to pay 150 dollars an hour just to scan a piece of equipment.

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Mar 10, 2023 14:09:14   #
harveyalt
 
Harold Stetson wrote:
My friend that I have talked about who owns an EV said that if he had it to do over he would possibly lease. He said technology is changing so rapidly that he would allow the lease company to swallow the tech change rather than worry about it himself. I am a farm boy and never considered a lease as viable but I think he has a great point.
In fact more and more farmers are going to lease as the equipment is so expensive to repair and so proprietary. They lease to avoid repair bills and having to pay 150 dollars an hour just to scan a piece of equipment.
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As far as technology changes goes, there are two kinds. One is software, and the other is hardware. I bought my car in March of 2021. Tesla has provided frequent downloads of software upgrades that range from bug fixes to turn on of major additional features, such as making the blind spot cameras available in conjunction with the turn signals and green light detection. The computer in the car is sufficiently capable of accepting the updates offered so far. It even has the capability for the (G-d forbid) full self driving option. Hardware upgrades, obviously, don't happen on already existing models. They also are infrequent. Basically, the car stays current until a major hardware upgrade takes place. Some are planned for the model Y, but they are not earth shattering, so I am not really concerned about the upcoming changes. Over the long haul, yes, the technology will change, but unless the lease is for a long time, it is unlikely that the hardware will change enough to make a difference. In fact, the way Tesla makes changes by phasing them in to current production, the buyer doesn't know if a certain change is present in his/her particular vehicle until after purchase. In theory you could be leasing the last vehicle manufactured before a significant hardware change.

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Mar 12, 2023 05:23:45   #
Harold Stetson Loc: Marquam 97038
 
The point is it wouldn't matter on a lease as they still own it. The technology change that could come is the battery technology as there are some new batteries out there that show significant promise.

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