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Mar 2, 2023 20:10:27   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
At first this mode seemed odd but having used it quite a bit now it seems to eliminate the other auto modes and is very easy to use and do what you want to do.
AV, TV, M with the same dial setting and quick to change with the eye to the viewfinder.
Those with a new mirrorless with this have you really tried it and what do you think?
Again, I find after using it I quite like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85T--N0TnUI

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Mar 3, 2023 03:42:11   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
It shows the right kind of thinking. On the other hand if your camera has the right adjustment wheels and buttons you don't need fancy modes. For example, if you have two adjustment wheels, M+AutoISO will allow you to adjust shutter speed and aperture directly. If ISO and EC have their own buttons they can both be adjusted that way. So even at its most complicated all you need to make an adjustment are a button plus adjustment wheel - no menus or viewscreen options involved.

For a compact camera you may want to have just one adjustment wheel, in which case you could have a button each for aperture, ISO and EC. If the camera was capable of M+AutoISO+EC, all options would be covered. The adjustment wheel on its own could be set up for either shutter speed or aperture. The aperture button could be set up for either aperture or shutter speed (and it could be given a name that reflects those possibilities). The ability to toggle the adjustment wheel and button between shutter and aperture control could be implemented using a quick and simple method. All options would then be covered simply and effectively, even if the camera had only one adjustment wheel.

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Mar 3, 2023 05:09:05   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
R.G. wrote:
It shows the right kind of thinking. On the other hand if your camera has the right adjustment wheels and buttons you don't need fancy modes. For example, if you have two adjustment wheels, M+AutoISO will allow you to adjust shutter speed and aperture directly. If ISO and EC have their own buttons they can both be adjusted that way. So even at its most complicated all you need to make an adjustment are a button plus adjustment wheel - no menus or viewscreen options involved.

For a compact camera you may want to have just one adjustment wheel, in which case you could have a button each for aperture, ISO and EC. If the camera was capable of M+AutoISO+EC, all options would be covered. The adjustment wheel on its own could be set up for either shutter speed or aperture. The aperture button could be set up for either aperture or shutter speed (and it could be given a name that reflects those possibilities). The ability to toggle the adjustment wheel and button between shutter and aperture control could be implemented using a quick and simple method. All options would then be covered simply and effectively, even if the camera had only one adjustment wheel.
It shows the right kind of thinking. On the other... (show quote)


you have to try it and see the simplicity vs the complex different buttons and wheels you describe.
At first it might not be understood but oce you try it it is extremely fast to be able to change things with just the use of the wheel by the shutter or the wheel by the eyepiece that are right there with no change of grip.

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Mar 3, 2023 05:22:50   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Architect1776 wrote:
you have to try it and see the simplicity vs the complex different buttons and wheels you describe.
At first it might not be understood but oce you try it it is extremely fast to be able to change things with just the use of the wheel by the shutter or the wheel by the eyepiece that are right there with no change of grip.


Hmmm... One wheel and three buttons or two wheels and two buttons. Complex?

Granted, if you can work two adjustment wheels more easily than you can work an adjustment wheel plus button, you have a point. And finding one of three buttons from memory could be potentially more prone to error than having the options visible in the viewfinder or viewscreen. I'll reserve my final verdict until I've tried both options. Until then it's reassuring to see camera manufacturers thinking along those lines. Even seeing the buttons arranged in tidy groups is reassuring.

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Mar 3, 2023 05:27:55   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
R.G. wrote:
Hmmm... One wheel and three buttons or two wheels and two buttons. Complex?

Granted, if you can work two adjustment wheels more easily than you can work an adjustment wheel plus button, you have a point. And finding one of three buttons from memory could be potentially more prone to error than having the options visible in the viewfinder or viewscreen. I'll reserve my final verdict until I've tried both options. Until then it's reassuring to see camera manufacturers thinking along those lines. Even seeing the buttons arranged in tidy groups is reassuring.
Hmmm... One wheel and three buttons or two wheels ... (show quote)


Have you tried FV yet?
Until you try it don't knock it.
Very intuitive and extremely quick.
Back wheel instantly changes settings AV, TV, O/U or ISO. Top then sets those settings. Or leave one or some on auto and adjust what you want manually all without using different wheels and buttons for each way. Instantly see it across the bottom of the screen and if you have not tried it don't knock it..
As I said I was not sure about it at first but after plating around with it saw the power of the mode, sort of makes PSAM redundant.

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Mar 3, 2023 05:31:56   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
you have to try it and see the simplicity vs the complex different buttons and wheels you describe.
At first it might not be understood but oce you try it it is extremely fast to be able to change things with just the use of the wheel by the shutter or the wheel by the eyepiece that are right there with no change of grip.



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Mar 3, 2023 05:40:04   #
Capn_Dave
 
I saw that video about a week ago and decided to mess with it. I was impressed and plan to use it today wile out in the field to get accustomed to using it. What I have seen so far I am impressed

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Mar 3, 2023 05:49:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Capn_Dave wrote:
I saw that video about a week ago and decided to mess with it. I was impressed and plan to use it today wile out in the field to get accustomed to using it. What I have seen so far I am impressed


That was what inspired me to mess around with it.
I leave the camera set there now instead of the other settings.

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Mar 3, 2023 05:55:32   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Architect1776 wrote:
At first this mode seemed odd but having used it quite a bit now it seems to eliminate the other auto modes and is very easy to use and do what you want to do.
AV, TV, M with the same dial setting and quick to change with the eye to the viewfinder.
Those with a new mirrorless with this have you really tried it and what do you think?
Again, I find after using it I quite like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85T--N0TnUI


You really do have to think hard to come up with new posts to keep your starter rating up don't you. Do you stay up at night thinking about what to post? Or does it just come to you while you sleep?
Inquiring minds would really like to know.

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Mar 3, 2023 09:51:02   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
billnikon wrote:
You really do have to think hard to come up with new posts to keep your starter rating up don't you. Do you stay up at night thinking about what to post? Or does it just come to you while you sleep?
Inquiring minds would really like to know.


Raising the profile of functions like that increases the chances that other manufacturers might follow suit. Plus there may be some that don't appreciate how user-friendly that mode is.

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Mar 3, 2023 11:35:17   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Architect1776 wrote:
At first this mode seemed odd but having used it quite a bit now it seems to eliminate the other auto modes and is very easy to use and do what you want to do.
AV, TV, M with the same dial setting and quick to change with the eye to the viewfinder.
Those with a new mirrorless with this have you really tried it and what do you think?
Again, I find after using it I quite like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85T--N0TnUI


This entire video has very worthwhile instructions for Canon shooters.
However, he doesn't get to the Canon "FV" mode subject until 10:22 in the video.
By using the FV mode on the Canon R5 you only have to develop muscle memory for the right thumb and forefinger.
Also, by using the "FV" mode you don't have to pull your eye away from the viewfinder to adjust SS, F-Stop, ISO, or exposure compensation.
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

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Mar 3, 2023 11:50:51   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
Architect1776 wrote:
At first this mode seemed odd but having used it quite a bit now it seems to eliminate the other auto modes and is very easy to use and do what you want to do.
AV, TV, M with the same dial setting and quick to change with the eye to the viewfinder.
Those with a new mirrorless with this have you really tried it and what do you think?
Again, I find after using it I quite like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85T--N0TnUI

Not sure which camera you are talking about but the Canon R5 also enables EC and ISO settings with the same dial when set to FV. Maybe it is muscle memory, but I still find it faster to shoot in manual mode, auto ISO.

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Mar 3, 2023 13:29:13   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I've had the camera for at least 6 months and never noticed this mode. Thanks for the heads up!

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Mar 3, 2023 13:39:41   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
PHRubin wrote:
I've had the camera for at least 6 months and never noticed this mode. Thanks for the heads up!


You are welcome.
Now mess around with it.
I found the video well worth viewing as it helped see what happens in the viewfinder and understand it.
Have fun with the new found power it will provide.

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Mar 3, 2023 13:53:05   #
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Ive been using FV mode since waaaaay before it was "invented" or repackaged. Therefor I see it as a Good Thing.

Ive always said we only need one AE mode, and that it doesnt really matter which one. From what Im reading, FV mode confirms that (but it neglects to remove all those other AE modes from the mode dial).

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