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Jan 22, 2023 19:49:01   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Longshadow wrote:
Well, once you "find it",

there will always be someone who will tell you how to make it better.......


Or cultural norms and standards will change, rendering it no longer "perfect."

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Jan 22, 2023 20:09:56   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
larryepage wrote:
As an engineer, I spent a lot of time and energy seeking what you are calling "the perfect photo." What I've come to understand is that such a search is pitifully misguided. Art is not the search for perfection. It's not achievable anyway...at least not for the long haul. It is, instead, the search for any of a number of other things. A voice? Common ground? Outrage? Justice? A pleasant decoration?

I'm not going to say that none of these mechanical "creations" will never show up in a museum or gallery. There will probably be an exhibition of a bunch of them somewhere sooner than we expect. But they really don't fit the definition of "photography." To me, they also do not meet the definition of "art," which is written, after all, with the last three letters of "heart."

So to me, what we are seeing is a mildly interesting means of generating two-dimensional graphic objects for decoration. Nothing more. We'll probably soon be seeing three-dimensional versions. No different than those mass-produced sculptures that you can buy at the home improvement store. Same idea. Similar value.
As an engineer, I spent a lot of time and energy s... (show quote)


Wise words Larry.... I should have said and use "meets expectations and specifications, on time, and on budget" instead of "perfect". But, I wouldn't discount or dismiss AI capabilities or demand for it just yet. (I wasn't around when color was introduced in photography, but I think it caught on eventually). As I said in another are post....AI programs are already capable of creating images of master painting upon voice commands. The AI program generate an image from a database that had been "fed" thousands and thousands of images (scanning) with reference words. So is this type of technology applicable to photography? Imagine, creating a specific (composite) image from thousand of other images....automatically. Wait a minute, composites are already possible with a little manual (PP) input. Now let's put that process on AI steroids with voice command.......yikes.... I'm not a proponents for AI....just a concerned observer of technology.

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Jan 22, 2023 20:13:19   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
Longshadow wrote:

It's all relative to the viewer!


Yep....I stand corrected......for this discussion I should have use "meets expectations and specificatio, on time and on budget".

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Jan 22, 2023 20:13:36   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
larryepage wrote:
Or cultural norms and standards will change, rendering it no longer "perfect."

My comment has little to do with cultural norms/standards, more with a personal preference for a particular image, how it affects them, not how it was made....
However, maybe those changes may affect their perception of an image.
Still, their perception.
See it here a lot.

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Jan 22, 2023 20:19:58   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
Longshadow wrote:
My comment has little to do with cultural norms/standards, more with a personal preference for a particular image, how it affects them, not how it was made....
However, maybe those changes may affect their perception of an image.
Still, their perception.
See it here a lot.


We can close this thread......2 pages is enough since the topic has be covered before......thanks for the input and hopefully quick read that didn't take up too much of your time STOP

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Jan 22, 2023 22:45:49   #
User ID
 
RonDavis wrote:
You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in the news (again) in the past two weeks with reports of their amazing (and improving) creative capabilities. AI programs can now write poems, jokes, term papers and other literature; duplicate art masterpieces and solve complex problem. We already have several PP programs touting AI features….and many cameras touting AI functions.....(really....don't we call this auto mode?)

I’m sitting here, doing some real PP-editing (whatever that is) and wondering how long before the entire photography process completely disappears and we'll be saying: “Seri…CREATE me a perfect photo of the Golden Gate Bridge at sundown”; without OUR fingers pressing (obsolete) shutter buttons? Oh wait….is that already available on Amazon? Ah, the joy of shooting may be disappearing…..(soon) Your thoughts?
You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in th... (show quote)

I looked a some of your stuff and I doubt AI can get what you get.

OTOH, browsing elsewhere in the gallery, the majority of it can be replaced by AI: "Andsel, render me a lake sunset, with clearing storm clouds and a row boat tied up in the right foreground." ... or ... "Andsel, render me an Egret amongst the rushes with a frog in its beak." etc etc etc especially for bifs and bugs on blossoms.

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Jan 22, 2023 23:15:40   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
User ID wrote:
I looked a some of your stuff and I doubt AI can get what you get.

OTOH, browsing elsewhere in the gallery, the majority of it can be replaced by AI: "Andsel, render me a lake sunset, with clearing storm clouds and a row boat tied up in the right foreground." ... or ... "Andsel, render me an Egret amongst the rushes with a frog in its beak." etc etc etc especially for bifs and bugs on blossoms.


Hi User ID....(you're getting the last word on this topic). "Creative" AI moving fast.....I not aware of the Andsel program or it's capabilities you've mentioned? It seems to address the points discussed in this CLOSED THREAD. Where can I find more info?

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Jan 22, 2023 23:30:43   #
User ID
 
RonDavis wrote:
Hi User ID....(you're getting the last word on this topic). "Creative" AI moving fast.....I not aware of the Andsel program or it's capabilities you've mentioned? It seems to address the points discussed in this CLOSED THREAD. Where can I find more info?
"Andsel" is just futurism. It may be verrrrry near futurism, but its not yet fact.

It will be interesting to see just how tightly closed one can close a thread simply by declaring it closed. "Andsel, render me a massive bank vault door, with a large sign reading 'Thread Now Closed', and roman praetorian guards standing at the ready."

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Jan 22, 2023 23:37:55   #
RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL
 
User ID wrote:
"Andsel" is just futurism. It may be verrrrry near futurism, but its not yet fact.

It will be interesting to see just how tightly closed one can close a thread simply by declaring it closed. "Andsel, render me a bank vault door with a sign reading 'Thread Closed' and a praetorian guard standing at ready."


Thanks for the clarification User ID.

CLOSED THREAD TOPIC, no more responses, please........ Let's go shooting

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Jan 23, 2023 05:42:09   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
RonDavis wrote:
You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in the news (again) in the past two weeks with reports of their amazing (and improving) creative capabilities. AI programs can now write poems, jokes, term papers and other literature; duplicate art masterpieces and solve complex problem. We already have several PP programs touting AI features….and many cameras touting AI functions.....(really....don't we call this auto mode?)

I’m sitting here, doing some real PP-editing (whatever that is) and wondering how long before the entire photography process completely disappears and we'll be saying: “Seri…CREATE me a perfect photo of the Golden Gate Bridge at sundown”; without OUR fingers pressing (obsolete) shutter buttons? Oh wait….is that already available on Amazon? Ah, the joy of shooting may be disappearing…..(soon) Your thoughts?
You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in th... (show quote)


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Without getting into dangerous quips---we have always had bad "artificial intelligence" leading our governments large and small. But our current use is, I am sure, leading to new product marketing.

As for getting AI and Golden gate bridge at sunset"----"AI"----that is called "googling" with "image" checked for "Golden Gate Bridge"----and W-a-l-l-a-h!-----up pops an image of Golden Gate at sunset thanks of AI?----------ew

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Jan 23, 2023 06:31:13   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
RonDavis wrote:
You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in the news (again) in the past two weeks with reports of their amazing (and improving) creative capabilities. AI programs can now write poems, jokes, term papers and other literature; duplicate art masterpieces and solve complex problem. We already have several PP programs touting AI features….and many cameras touting AI functions.....(really....don't we call this auto mode?)

I’m sitting here, doing some real PP-editing (whatever that is) and wondering how long before the entire photography process completely disappears and we'll be saying: “Seri…CREATE me a perfect photo of the Golden Gate Bridge at sundown”; without OUR fingers pressing (obsolete) shutter buttons? Oh wait….is that already available on Amazon? Ah, the joy of shooting may be disappearing…..(soon) Your thoughts?
You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in th... (show quote)


It's about time. I tired of spending hours and hours creating my FALSE images.

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Jan 23, 2023 06:37:13   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
How do you know if this reply is from a real person or AI.

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Jan 23, 2023 06:52:55   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Golden Gate has infinite ways to observe it.
AI could do some but not others.
It will produce the typical tourist shots that are seen over and over anyway just like other tourist traps around the world we see over and over.


That statement is based on what evidence?

Quite on the contrary, an AI could produce (not shoot) pictures that no photographer could ever do... Like "The golden Gate viewed from above on a beautiful and misty morning with eagles flying around"

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Jan 23, 2023 06:53:57   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
How do you know if this reply is from a real person or AI.


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Jan 23, 2023 07:39:18   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

--Bob
Architect1776 wrote:
My point is what is a perfect photo.
I see lots of photos that are raved about and I find that they totally suck to me.

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