AI….Artificial Intelligent for artificial photographs…: You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in the news (again) in the past two weeks with reports of their amazing (and...

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in the news (again) in the past two weeks with reports of their amazing (and improving) creative capabilities. AI programs can now write poems, jokes, term papers and other literature; duplicate art masterpieces and solve complex problem. We already have several PP programs touting AI features….and many cameras touting AI functions.....(really....don't we call this auto mode?)

I’m sitting here, doing some real PP-editing (whatever that is) and wondering how long before the entire photography process completely disappears and we'll be saying: “Seri…CREATE me a perfect photo of the Golden Gate Bridge at sundown”; without OUR fingers pressing (obsolete) shutter buttons? Oh wait….is that already available on Amazon? Ah, the joy of shooting may be disappearing…..(soon)

Your thoughts?

Rongnongno Loc: FL

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Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

RonDavis wrote:

You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in th... (show quote)

Golden Gate has infinite ways to observe it.
AI could do some but not others.
It will produce the typical tourist shots that are seen over and over anyway just like other tourist traps around the world we see over and over.

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

Architect1776 wrote:

Golden Gate has infinite ways to observe it.
AI could do some but not others.

It doesn't have to be the Golden Gate Bridge or any particular structure.... My point/question is how far will the AI process/program be applied in the photographic process. Will AI do TOTAL creation....create the "perfect" photograph from a voice command. The capability to duplicate masterpiece paintings or a particular artistic from "voice commands" was describe in news stories over the past two weeks. I'm baffle and amazed at the progress and process. So,I ask the (post) question for discussion purposes.....

Bill_de Loc: US

RonDavis wrote:

You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in th... (show quote)

Check here to see if there is anything new:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/search-topic-list?q=AI%E2%80%A6.Artificial+Intelligent&sectnum=0&username=

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Sadly, at times, no one can stop tech progress and it is DAUNTING! Being older, I often think how different the world was 50 years ago!!! no computers for mortals, no cell phones... IF you wanted to see a concert, YOU had to go in person or pray Ed Sullivan had the group on... learning anything was WORK... when I went to the libraries, I always had to have a bag of dimes with me to PHOTOSTAT the work I did not have time to read.

Taking great landscape or most photography required LOTS OF work, skill, and instruction... chromes were very difficult to capture ... there were only a handful of stock photographers then...

yet... humans are better than machines in the end... they can THINK and change and adapt and have a soul... machines are just fast processors of data... they can NOT change responses without algorithms setting up programs to alter results. Man is made in God's image, machines are made in Mans... in God WE Trust, not man.

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

Bill_de wrote:

Check here to see if there is anything new:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/search-topic-list?q=AI%E2%80%A6.Artificial+Intelligent&sectnum=0&username=

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Thanks Bill.....Sorry folks, I missed entire section when I only type "AI" in the search bar before my post...... We don't need a redundant thread.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

RonDavis wrote:

It doesn't have to be the Golden Gate Bridge or an... (show quote)

My point is what is a perfect photo.
I see lots of photos that are raved about and I find that they totally suck to me.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

RonDavis wrote:

You may have noticed AI (programs) have been in th... (show quote)

Ai is a concept which can be implemented in a number of ways. The tools can be used to enhance or to create. The best noise reduction software titles today use it to reduce image noise without softening fine details or adding unnatural artifacts. It is also used by image sharpness tools to give natural looking results. Like any technology AI can be overused, or implemented poorly or inappropriately.

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

Architect1776 wrote:

My point is what is a perfect photo.
I see lots of photos that are raved about and I find that they totally suck to me.

I think we've seen the same photos...lol. But my question was meant to focus on AI capabilities...that will have no human input other than voice command. In other words, are we moving to a point in time when AI will/can create a completely autonomous photograph via human voice command----“Seri…CREATE me a perfect photo of the Golden Gate Bridge at sundown (or anything)”...And, of course "perfect" is the human's opinion....satisfying for use, requiring no further editing.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Architect1776 wrote:

My point is what is a perfect photo.
I see lots of photos that are raved about and I find that they totally suck to me.

It's all relative to the viewer!

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

Architect1776 wrote:

My point is what is a perfect photo.
I see lots of photos that are raved about and I find that they totally suck to me.

As an engineer, I spent a lot of time and energy seeking what you are calling "the perfect photo." What I've come to understand is that such a search is pitifully misguided. Art is not the search for perfection. It's not achievable anyway...at least not for the long haul. It is, instead, the search for any of a number of other things. A voice? Common ground? Outrage? Justice? A pleasant decoration?

I'm not going to say that none of these mechanical "creations" will ever show up in a museum or gallery. There will probably be an exhibition of a bunch of them somewhere sooner than we expect. But they really don't fit the definition of "photography." To me, they also do not meet the definition of "art," which is written, after all, with the last three letters of "heart."

So to me, what we are seeing is a mildly interesting means of generating two-dimensional graphic objects for decoration. Nothing more. We'll probably soon be seeing three-dimensional versions. No different than those mass-produced sculptures that you can buy at the home improvement store. Same idea. Similar value.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

larryepage wrote:

As an engineer, I spent a lot of time and energy s... (show quote)

Well, once you "find it",

there will always be someone who will tell you how to make it better.......

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

mwsilvers wrote:

Ai is a concept which can be implemented in a number of ways. The tools can be used to enhance or to create. The best noise reduction software titles today use it to reduce image noise without softening fine details or adding unnatural artifacts. It is also used by image sharpness tools to give natural looking results. Like any technology AI can be overused, or implemented poorly or inappropriately.

Good point about noise reduction, I get it.....but the concern is the AI Creativity from concept. The new report I saw (several times) presented programs that are capable of creating images (master painting) upon voice commands. The AI program generate an image from a database that had been "fed" thousands of images (scanning) with reference words. So is this type of technology applicable to photography? Imagine creating a specific (composite) image from thousand of other images....automatically. Wait a minute, composites are already possible with a little manual input. Now let's put that process on AI steroids.......yikes

Bill_de Loc: US

RonDavis wrote:

Thanks Bill.....Sorry folks, I missed entire section when I only type "AI" in the search bar before my post...... We don't need a redundant thread.

No worries. UHH thrives on redundancy. If you check out some of the longer threads you'll find people repeating themselves. It is common to see, "As I said before ..."

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