Grahame Loc: Fiji

But the Op is not looking for ways to "control" anything.

He's simply trying to find out why there is a DIFFERENCE between two things.

dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone

Please pardon the confusion your description brings upon this novice.

How did you do those adjustments while making "no changes to color at all" ?.....curves, blacks, whites and tonal adjustments all affect the color outcome don't they ?

BebuLamar

At this point in time I think it's too late for the OP to start using manual mode. You will see if the OP will use manual mode.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

The reason is apparently that his camera applies different developing parms

Grahame Loc: Fiji

Or to put more clearly;

The reason is apparently (as can be confirmed in the Exif) that his camera has applied different developing parms in different modes of operation.

Grahame Loc: Fiji

Conversely, there are those that are using manual mode because at their point in time they are unable to grasp the Auto modes complexities in photography.

BebuLamar

Manual mode is the easiest but if you don't use it in the beginning it get more and more difficult to start using it to the point that you should forget about it. Many people can do very well without it.

Grahame Loc: Fiji

For some it is the easiest, for others they have the ability to learn and adapt various methods. Ones own experience and ability is not necessarily a reflection of others.

I would suggest from the Ops ability at testing and diagnosis undertaken he may well have far more 'ability' than those who's input is nothing more than wanting to voice how they shoot, rather than assist in solving an anomaly.

User ID

Well yes you have pointed up one of the central tenets of UHH Tradition.

But we shouldnt just ignore the fact the anomaly derives from letting the camera handle things that clearly the OP can well enough do for himself. IOW the camera is being meddlesome.

The whole thread stems from some idle curiosity about an observed "curious" result. The group wasnt asked to solve any problem related to a *need*. So its bound to visit various rabbit holes.

Grahame Loc: Fiji

I would suggest the 'learning' that there is a difference between the two 'Auto WB' modes is not "ignoring" anything that the OP can do for himself.

User ID

And I would disagree. *That* is the very heart of the matter. Not WB in particular. Just the fact that most users are happily unaware of all the variables that theyve neglected to control. But every now and then something gets their attention and leads to a "wondering why" even though its not a real problem or an impediment to good results.

Grahame Loc: Fiji

You can attempt to justify things however you want and dream up imaginary scenarios that fit any agenda. That is your choice.

On the other hand, my interest is solely regarding the solving of the specific 'reason for the anomaly found', in the attempt to assist the OP.

E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada

I certainly do not know or pretend to know the inner workings or idiosyncracies of every camera on the market. Obviously, in a FULLY automatic mode, the camera is making numerous decisions as to ISO, exposure settings, perhaps color quality, and who knows what else perhaps the meterig settings as to spot, matrix, so the color may shift in hue or saturation. etc. due to inconsistencies in an exposure.

I have expereince with both Nikon and Canon gear and find that can replicate the color obtained in an automatic or priority mode, in manual mode as long as I make note of all the settings that the camer "decided" on.

After many years of custom color printing, however, I can tell you this, density affects color saturation. When making a color print or even adjusting a color TV or monitor, the first thing to do, before correcting the color, is to establish the correct brightness and contrast. So, if there is a shift in EXPOSURE from one model to another.

Another consideration- you may be knocking yourself out over nothing. Back in the film era, we were stuck with the characteristics of whatever film we were using at any given time. When printing from color-negative materials the color and saturation as well as contrast would be affected by shifts in an exposure. In DIGITAL post-processing we can correct for minor exposure errors and control saturation and contrast independently as well as colr balance.

fredtoo Loc: Houston

and that is exactly what I see. If I had not put them all together, I probably would have been happy with any one of them. Although I find the "neutral" to be a tad lifeless (interesting point to make about a dead animal...).

The entire issue was not which is better or worse, but why in heck were they different, if conditions and settings were the same? Stil puzzles me a bit, and now wondering if I could pick up any high-end camera and find similar differences between Auto and P-modes, when the same settings and conditions exist?

More of a curiosity thing than anything else, because I did not see it coming.

thanks much for your interest,
fred t.

fredtoo Loc: Houston

and you would be entirely correct in that thinking. Perhaps if specific cameras had not been named, some confusion would be warranted. One thing I have learned over the years, is that no one can come even close to providing and answer, if they don't actually understand what the question is.

I see it every day in emails that were read to quickly, and then a totally irrelevant response is returned.

thanks for your interest,
fred t.