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Dec 8, 2022 14:25:58   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
FrumCA wrote:
As far as I'm concerned anyone who kneels before the f**g, or the National Anthem is anti-American. I will never argue her right to her beliefs (protesting against police brutality as I recall) but there are other ways protest that belief. BTW, 1) how's Colin Kaepernick doing these days? and 2) please explain how you are linking the highlighted verse of our National Anthem to Brittany Greiner.


I never heard it or read it that she ever kneeled during the anthem !!!

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Dec 8, 2022 15:05:10   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
DennyT wrote:
I never heard it or read it that she ever kneeled during the anthem !!!


There are plenty of pictures of the entire Phoenix Mercury kneeling...

But maybe they were photo-shopped by right-wing zealots

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Dec 8, 2022 15:10:05   #
Ed Chu Loc: Las Vegas NV
 
DennyT wrote:
I never heard it or read it that she ever kneeled during the anthem !!!


https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/09/brittney-griner-national-anthem/

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Dec 8, 2022 15:18:02   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
There are plenty of pictures of the entire Phoenix Mercury kneeling...

But maybe they were photo-shopped by right-wing zealots


I didn’t ask that . I ask about Grinder. !

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Dec 8, 2022 15:19:01   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Ed Chu wrote:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/09/brittney-griner-national-anthem/


Thank you.
That’s what I understood . No kneeling !

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Dec 8, 2022 21:39:35   #
jcboy3
 
DennyT wrote:
Let’s be clear on this “marine” wheeler.
He is Canadian born. Hold multiple citizens ship and passports- Canadian, American, Irish. And English.
Yes he served in the marines but was discharged with a BCD after serving time in jail.
He went Russia’s to attend a wedding but skipped the wedding to meet with a friend .


His BCD was for "attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number, and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for payment." - wikipedia

He lies like Herschel Walker about ties to police.

He had $80,000 in cash taken from him at a Russian Airport.

He was arrested while in possession of a USB drive that had a list of employees at a classified security agency.

Who knows what he was doing in Russia (while also attending a wedding), but the guy is no good.

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Dec 9, 2022 07:56:02   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
Two takes:

Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-slammed-swapping-russian-merchant-death-wnbas-griner-most-lopsided-trade-history

Politico:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/08/biden-strikes-deal-to-free-brittney-griner-from-russian-custody-00072981

Of course, I think Fox has the right take. This is all about identity politics. Griner checks a lot of boxes and it's a move to shore up the base and boost Biden's ratings. The only problem? This was stupid, like trading your Maserati for a piece of bubble gum.
Two takes: br br Fox: br br https://www.foxnews.... (show quote)


I agree with you that this government will work harder for and do more for those who check the boxes. I'm glad she's coming home and I feel her sentencing was unjust but it was a lopsided trade.

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Dec 9, 2022 08:11:41   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
BG broke the law in Russia for drug offenses when she knew better. Recall that she pled guilty to the charges against her. She received a sentence in accord with the law in Russia.

Meanwhile, let us remind ourselves that each nation devises its own justice system to serve its interests. Respect for this adage helps: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
JRiepe wrote:
I agree with you that this government will work harder for and do more for those who check the boxes. I'm glad she's coming home and I feel her sentencing was unjust but it was a lopsided trade.

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Dec 9, 2022 08:21:15   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
Two takes:

Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-slammed-swapping-russian-merchant-death-wnbas-griner-most-lopsided-trade-history

Politico:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/08/biden-strikes-deal-to-free-brittney-griner-from-russian-custody-00072981

Of course, I think Fox has the right take. This is all about identity politics. Griner checks a lot of boxes and it's a move to shore up the base and boost Biden's ratings. The only problem? This was stupid, like trading your Maserati for a piece of bubble gum.
Two takes: br br Fox: br br https://www.foxnews.... (show quote)


Biden Buying V**es As Usual!

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Dec 9, 2022 08:25:06   #
FrumCA
 
DennyT wrote:
I never heard it or read it that she ever kneeled during the anthem !!!

Thanks for pointing this out. I should have been clearer. The "anyone" I referred to was not specifically directed at Greiner. Think of it like the generic "we" or "they".

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Dec 9, 2022 08:51:25   #
Watash
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
Two takes:

Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-slammed-swapping-russian-merchant-death-wnbas-griner-most-lopsided-trade-history

Politico:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/08/biden-strikes-deal-to-free-brittney-griner-from-russian-custody-00072981

Of course, I think Fox has the right take. This is all about identity politics. Griner checks a lot of boxes and it's a move to shore up the base and boost Biden's ratings. The only problem? This was stupid, like trading your Maserati for a piece of bubble gum.
Two takes: br br Fox: br br https://www.foxnews.... (show quote)


Yep. Stupid! However, a gay America h**er will always be put on top of the Dems list of heroes.

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Dec 9, 2022 09:29:08   #
St.Mary's
 
The President of the United States... left a U.S. Marine in Russian jail." - MJT

That is a lie. Whelan is NOT a U.S. Marine. He is a dishonorably discharged former Marine Corps Reserve enlistee, who served 5 years as an administrative clerk in Iraq from 2003-2008 and was then courtmartialed for larceny and other offences after being found to have tried to steal $10,000.

The exact charges were: "attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number, and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for payment."

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Dec 9, 2022 09:32:30   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Watosh wrote:
Yep. Stupid! However, a gay America h**er will always be put on top of the Dems list of heroes.


Why do you call her an america h**er?

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Dec 9, 2022 09:36:48   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
anotherview wrote:
BG broke the law in Russia for drug offenses when she knew better. Recall that she pled guilty to the charges against her. She received a sentence in accord with the law in Russia.

Meanwhile, let us remind ourselves that each nation devises its own justice system to serve its interests. Respect for this adage helps: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."


I only know what I read and that is the drug was a miniscule amount and was prescribed by a doctor and she was unaware she was breaking the law. If that's the case she could have been given a break. If that's not the case that's a different story.

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Dec 9, 2022 09:53:07   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
DennyT wrote:
Not sure why you call her - anti America.

Because she protested her beliefs .

Don’t forget we only sing the fist verse of the star spangled banner.

The third verse

“ And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution. No refuge could save the hireling and s***e
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave
, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave..
Writer by a shave holder
Not sure why you call her - anti America. br br B... (show quote)


So she is a s***e? Show me a s***e today anywhere in the world- there certainly are s***es.... Tell us where they are when you do. She is outwardly anti-American and has disdain for this country.... till of course she needed us, then she was all American. And if she doesn't belong here, she isn't happy, where does she belong? Is it where you found current modern s***ery being practiced where she belongs?

Putin traded an anti American for an arms dealer criminal with lots of blood on his hands ROFL - and Biden pretends it was a great deal!... Meanwhile an American teacher, Marc Fogel, who was guilty of the same thing she was, languishes... and you don't even know about him.

Got to be Putins biggest laugh since Bite-me's withdrawal from Afganistan!

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