Cowpaty

Very entertaining! Thanks for sharing.

MountainDave

Couple of points: 1. It always struck me as surprising manufacturers would allow others to reverse engineer their products and become competitors. 2. Users have a myriad of choices both new and used from Canon and other manufacturers in the EF mount that work flawlessly on mirrorless via an adapter. For those who need or want to save money on glass, this is the way to go. 3. I have read (but can't confirm) that Canon is restricting others until they get their own catalog filled out. They don't want others getting products out ahead of them. They do allow manufacturers who make specialty products, like Lensbaby, to produce R mount lenses.

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Youre welcome. Thanks for the props !

gwilliams6

It has been widely discussed and Canon has issued statements, they are saying cease to all third=party makers who had made a few RF lenses and/or ready to release new RF lenses. Those makers have pulled those RF lenses and Canon is saying no more will be allowed in the market.

On the opposite side of this philosophy Nikon is now even opening up its Z-mount to Tamron and other third party makers and is even badging some Tamron mirrorless lenses as Z-mount.

Sony has had an open E-mount for a long time, and there are over 200 quality Third-party lenses in E-mount from Sony, Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon, Zeiss, Yonguo, Viltrox, Tokina, and others. The E-mount is the most widely produced and used mirrorless lens mount in the world. With additional quality E-mount lenses being introduced all the time. That is part of the reason Sony leads in Worldwide Mirrorless camera sales. Check the CIPA numbers if you doubt that. Sony and now Nikon have decided it is better to allow more people with all budgets to be able to afford to fully embrace their mirrorless systems.

IMHO, as a longtime pro that has owned and shot with the best of Nikon, Canon, Sony, Leica in my 48+ years in the business, Canon is a big, and often arrogant maker that has lost sight of building up its base. Even Leica shares the mirrorless L-mount with Panasonic and Sigma (yes Sigma makes mirrorless cameras), using L-mount lenses from Leica, Panasonic, Sigma and other third-party makers.

Full disclosure, Tamron is partly owned by Sony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_E-mount_lenses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_Sony_E-mount_lenses

As most photographers and industry experts worldwide agree, Canon is eventually hurting themselves in the marketplace just to keep a monopoly on RF lens sales, and Nikon and Sony will reap the benefits as it is a fact that many are now moving away from the R series and moving to Nikon Z-mount and Sony E-mount bodies where they will have a greater choice of quality E-mount lenses in all price ranges. It does matter to many around the world.

The still fairly limited RF lens series choices from Canon are either cheap kit lenses, or very expensive top quality RF lenses. Canon's RF lens lineup is still slow to fill out, and is nowhere as extensive as its mirrorless competitors, just the facts. Not everyone is willing to wait on Canon to slowly fill out its top RF lens lineup, and be forced to pay high prices for top quality Canon-only RF lens, if and when they are available. People have photos to make now, not later.

The top News Services around the world have moved to Sony and Nikon fullframe mirrorless for all their staff photographers and staff videographers, worldwide. They aren't waiting for Canon to fill out their RF Lens lineup either.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/sony-is-now-the-exclusive-camera-provider-for-gannett-and-usa-today/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4545693607/the-uk-largest-news-agency-partners-with-sony

https://petapixel.com/2022/01/31/canadas-largest-news-organization-moves-exclusively-to-sony-cameras/#:~:text=Canada's%20Largest%20News%20Agency%20Moves%20Exclusively%20to%20Sony%20Cameras,-Jan%2031%2C%202022&text=The%20Canadian%20Press%2C%20the%20largest,provider%20for%20the%20media%20company.

https://petapixel.com/2022/06/09/how-pro-photographers-helped-make-the-z9-from-prototype-to-flagship/

Cheers and best to you.

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Thank you ! Glad you enjoyed. Please return again soon !!!

MountainDave

It's no secret Canon was way behind on mirrorless development but the gap is closing. Some think it has already closed on the cameras.

However, none of these organizations went to Sony because they couldn't buy an R mount Sigma. Entirely different subject.

I, for one, am very happy Sony reentered the market in a big way. Competition is great.

Happy Thanksgiving!

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Where's your typical image litter and links to FB groups no one would willing join? About as useful as your derogatory (aka Sony troll) comments about the world's #1 digital camera company.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Your calling someone else a troll? Will wonders never cease.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Guess you glazed over his nonsense like everyone else?

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Yeah, all anyone had to do was actually go look at the two listings the guy (or gal?) has in the UHH classifieds. Someone had already asked the "why are you selling" question and he (or she) had already answered it.

But, hey! Where's the fun in that?!

If we kept these threads short and on-topic, there would be no room for snarkiness or opportunity for Chg_Canon to remind folks how to use the "quote" button.

BebuLamar

Yeah I read the guy response but I do not believe his reasons.

kemert

Agree 💯. I have an r6 but the lack of a true live view just isn't the same.

gwilliams6

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gwilliams6

Best to you. Folks can read for themselves in the links from the News Services in their own words why they chose to go mirrorless and go Sony and Nikon. Sony having a full mirrorless lens line in place already was one of the considerations for sure, as well as years of real-world tested and proven mirrorless gear performance, the pace of innovations, system reliability, professional support , etc.

These news services aren't just buying a camera, they are buying into a complete system, that was a major consideration. As a longtime photojournalist I have worked on staff at top newspapers as well as working freelance for top magazines and news services including AP. As a working photojournalist covering all subjects from pro sports to war conflict, you need a full system with a full compliment of top performing gear and a wide choice of quality lenses to cover all subjects and situations.

These Worldwide News Services including Associated Press, all Gannett media including USA Today, UK Press, Canadian Press chose Sony mirrorless. They are using Sony A1, A9II, A7RIV, A7SIII, A7C, FX3, FX6 and new A7RV cameras, and a host of E-mount lenses, mostly from Sony, but I do know some AP shooters that tell me they are also using top Sigma Art and Tamron third-party lenses.

AFP (Agence France Press) helped develop and test the Nikon Z9, and are using the Z9 with Nikon Z-mount lenses as well as the new Tamron Z-mount lenses. Of course these News Services are getting these latest cameras and lenses with priority from the makers.

A healthy camera market with multiple brands doing well is always best. Real competition is welcome as it spurs them all to greater innovation and we all win, no matter what brand we choose to use.

Cheers and best to you all.