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Nov 14, 2022 15:59:25   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Frank T wrote:
If you've ever worked on a movie set, and I have, you will see that the duties and responsibilities are strictly enforced.
In this case, the armorer was responsible for the safety of the firearm and he failed miserably.
Baldwin had no responsibility to check the armorer's call. In fact, the unions are so strong that it would have probably ended in a grievance being filed against Baldwin, had he checked the gun.
Baldwin has been on a lot of movie sets and he knows the rules. He was just complying with the contracts and norms that are n effect.

As a side note, please ignore any comments from Wilpharm. He's like a 10 watt lightbulb, Not too bright!
If you've ever worked on a movie set, and I have, ... (show quote)


I have worked on a few sets with firearms involved. The first thing the Armorer does is instruct each and every person who will touch the active props in any way on the proper procedures to handle such, and the very first step they teach is to insure the weapon is Clear, ie. unloaded--even with f**e ammo, and that if it isn't, they are supposed to set it down, notify, and wait for the armorer to clear it. In fact, on any set I worked on, you weren't even allowed to touch any of the prop weapons without express permission and supervision of the armorer.

No one is supposed to handle any loaded or hot weapon without the armorer themselves actually handing it to them, and telling all in the area that it's either "cold", as in won't fire, or hot, as in loaded with a charge.

I will add, they also teach that any prop capable of throwing a projectile is never to be pointed at another human. When they aim at another on film with such, it's an optical illusion as they are actually aiming a good bit away from the body mass.

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Nov 14, 2022 16:01:15   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
cjc2 wrote:
Are you really as uninformed as you seem to be?


Actually, you are. But keep on believing what you belive, I wouldn't want reality to ruin your little world.

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Nov 14, 2022 16:52:40   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
cjc2 wrote:
Are you really as uninformed as you seem to be?


just look at some of his posts...pretty sad lil dude

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Nov 14, 2022 17:33:58   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
wilpharm wrote:
just look at some of his posts...pretty sad lil dude


Hey Willie Boy, You're the most informed cabbage picker I know.
Say Hi to your wife for me.

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Nov 14, 2022 18:49:11   #
Bison Bud
 
Frank T wrote:
If you've ever worked on a movie set, and I have, you will see that the duties and responsibilities are strictly enforced.
In this case, the armorer was responsible for the safety of the firearm and he failed miserably.
Baldwin had no responsibility to check the armorer's call. In fact, the unions are so strong that it would have probably ended in a grievance being filed against Baldwin, had he checked the gun.
Baldwin has been on a lot of movie sets and he knows the rules. He was just complying with the contracts and norms that are n effect.

As a side note, please ignore any comments from Wilpharm. He's like a 10 watt lightbulb, Not too bright!
If you've ever worked on a movie set, and I have, ... (show quote)


Man, if they would file a grevience for checking the gun, what would they do for picking it up and shooting somebody without the armorer even being there, as this was apparently what happened.

I never said that there aren't others that should also bear some responsibility, only that Alex Baldwin should be held accountable for his negligence and that I'm shocked about him filing suits stating that he is a victim and wants damages. What kind of person does this (pretty sick and self centered if you ask me).

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Nov 15, 2022 02:45:18   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
Alec is protecting his ass (can I say that here?) as is probably everyone else on that set. If not, they should be.

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Nov 15, 2022 07:22:47   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Frank T wrote:
Hey Willie Boy, You're the most informed cabbage picker I know.
Say Hi to your wife for me.


say hi yourself when she wipes her butt with you, CHARMIN!!!

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Nov 15, 2022 07:28:46   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Man, if they would file a grevience for checking the gun, what would they do for picking it up and shooting somebody without the armorer even being there, as this was apparently what happened.

I never said that there aren't others that should also bear some responsibility, only that Alex Baldwin should be held accountable for his negligence and that I'm shocked about him filing suits stating that he is a victim and wants damages. What kind of person does this (pretty sick and self centered if you ask me).
Man, if they would file a grevience for checking t... (show quote)


you have to understand that Charmin boy frank stands up for every kook liberal..no matter how inept he is..or how many innocents they murder

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Nov 15, 2022 10:09:52   #
sgt hop Loc: baltimore md,now in salisbury md
 
why did he point it at the non-actor???was she in a scene???

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Nov 15, 2022 10:25:58   #
Bison Bud
 
sgt hop wrote:
why did he point it at the non-actor???was she in a scene???


Don't know for sure, but she was probably trying to get a "point blank" angle in her shot. It's not uncommon for a videographer and/or photographer to take unnecessary risk to get the shot they want and in some way she was probably partially responsible for the accident as well. However, this does not remove any of Alex Baldwin's responsibility for the accidental discharge.

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Nov 15, 2022 10:28:47   #
sgt hop Loc: baltimore md,now in salisbury md
 
sounds logical...i don't know that much about it.....thanks for the info.....

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Nov 15, 2022 11:53:51   #
srg
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Mainstream news sources are now reporting that Alex Baldwin has filed suits against the armorer and others on the set of "Rust" and is claiming that he is a victim and actually wants damages as well as to attempt to clear his name. I realize that he has settled out of court with the true victims family for an undisclosed amount, but I simply can't believe that over a year after the incident that no criminal charges have been filed on anyone. I frankly find the arrogance and elitism of this man to be astonishing! Wealth and fame should have nothing to do with the prosecution of any crime for any reason and in my eyes I think he feels like he should be able to get away with it, because of who he is and that he paid off the family of the victim!

While I don't know all the facts, but I do think that there are others that share in the responsibility for this accidental death, but that Alex Baldwin is and should be held most responsible, as he is the one that picked up the gun, pointed it at the victim, and pulled the trigger whether intentional or not. He is not a victim here and certainly does not deserve damages from anyone! In fact, he deserves to go to jail for these actions. While I do believe that this was an accident, this sort of wrongful death is virtually the very definition of "Involuntary Manslaughter" and should be prosecuted as such.

Alex claims that he didn't pull the trigger, yet the FBI has checked out the gun and stated that it would not fire without doing so. Being very familiar with these single action handguns, I would also like to state that it can not be fired without also cocking the hammer. This is a very intentional act involved in firing the handgun and it simply does not happen by accident! He also picked up the gun without checking if or how it was loaded and apparently without the armorer even being on the set, then for some reason pointed it at the victim and shot her dead. How can he possible blame someone else for these actions with no personal responsibility? While a good explanation of why live ammo was even on the set is needed and others bear some responsibility, Alex is the smoking gun so to speak and should not get away with it no matter how much he paid the family of the victim.

I would also like to note that Alex was apparently in charge of the whole production and even having guns on the set without the armorer present is a huge safety violation and he personally had a real responsibility to make sure the safety rules were followed and yet he personally violated them to the extreme and someone died because of it. In any case, Alex needs to be criminal charged and prosecuted for his blatant negligence and his lawsuits should be thrown out of court!
Mainstream news sources are now reporting that Ale... (show quote)


I would guess that there have been thousands of Western movies produced, both here and abroad.
I'm certain that every single time a gun was involved, the actor took the time to examine his weapon before responding to the director's "Action" call.

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Nov 15, 2022 11:58:48   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Don't know for sure, but she was probably trying to get a "point blank" angle in her shot. It's not uncommon for a videographer and/or photographer to take unnecessary risk to get the shot they want and in some way she was probably partially responsible for the accident as well. However, this does not remove any of Alex Baldwin's responsibility for the accidental discharge.


Um, No. They use a mirror shot or remote camera when they shoot a hot weapon head on. It's standard practice.

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Nov 15, 2022 13:14:22   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Mainstream news sources are now reporting that Alex Baldwin has filed suits against the armorer and others on the set of "Rust" and is claiming that he is a victim and actually wants damages as well as to attempt to clear his name. I realize that he has settled out of court with the true victims family for an undisclosed amount, but I simply can't believe that over a year after the incident that no criminal charges have been filed on anyone. I frankly find the arrogance and elitism of this man to be astonishing! Wealth and fame should have nothing to do with the prosecution of any crime for any reason and in my eyes I think he feels like he should be able to get away with it, because of who he is and that he paid off the family of the victim!

While I don't know all the facts, but I do think that there are others that share in the responsibility for this accidental death, but that Alex Baldwin is and should be held most responsible, as he is the one that picked up the gun, pointed it at the victim, and pulled the trigger whether intentional or not. He is not a victim here and certainly does not deserve damages from anyone! In fact, he deserves to go to jail for these actions. While I do believe that this was an accident, this sort of wrongful death is virtually the very definition of "Involuntary Manslaughter" and should be prosecuted as such.

Alex claims that he didn't pull the trigger, yet the FBI has checked out the gun and stated that it would not fire without doing so. Being very familiar with these single action handguns, I would also like to state that it can not be fired without also cocking the hammer. This is a very intentional act involved in firing the handgun and it simply does not happen by accident! He also picked up the gun without checking if or how it was loaded and apparently without the armorer even being on the set, then for some reason pointed it at the victim and shot her dead. How can he possible blame someone else for these actions with no personal responsibility? While a good explanation of why live ammo was even on the set is needed and others bear some responsibility, Alex is the smoking gun so to speak and should not get away with it no matter how much he paid the family of the victim.

I would also like to note that Alex was apparently in charge of the whole production and even having guns on the set without the armorer present is a huge safety violation and he personally had a real responsibility to make sure the safety rules were followed and yet he personally violated them to the extreme and someone died because of it. In any case, Alex needs to be criminal charged and prosecuted for his blatant negligence and his lawsuits should be thrown out of court!
Mainstream news sources are now reporting that Ale... (show quote)


Who brought live ammo onto the set? They are guilty. Who loaded the gun? They are guilty. Alex is just a dumb ass for not checking.

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Nov 15, 2022 13:26:17   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Rust was a low-budget production and was not a major studio project but an independent film financed by BondIt Media Capital, with CAA Media Finance on board for domestic sales rights and Highland Film Group handling international sales. Thus, unions may not have been involved. One of the cameramen quit due to the lax enforcement of safety rules.

Lane Luper, who was the lead camera operator, said that in the few days before cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was k**led, he had “never felt as close to death” on a set. Lane a cameraman on the Alec Baldwin film Rust has revealed he resigned the day before the fatal shooting over safety fears.

Additionally, AB was the producer of this film.
--Bob

Frank T wrote:
If you've ever worked on a movie set, and I have, you will see that the duties and responsibilities are strictly enforced.
In this case, the armorer was responsible for the safety of the firearm and he failed miserably.
Baldwin had no responsibility to check the armorer's call. In fact, the unions are so strong that it would have probably ended in a grievance being filed against Baldwin, had he checked the gun.
Baldwin has been on a lot of movie sets and he knows the rules. He was just complying with the contracts and norms that are n effect.

As a side note, please ignore any comments from Wilpharm. He's like a 10 watt lightbulb, Not too bright!
If you've ever worked on a movie set, and I have, ... (show quote)

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