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Nov 10, 2022 23:44:56   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Not saying that, just trying to get you to back up your claim is all. My answer is, I believe there is a “later” or afterlife, but I don’t know for sure, it’s just my belief based only on faith. Maybe next time you can say you don’t believe that a “later” exist because you don’t see evidence of such a condition or time.


And therein lies a problem: you have chosen to believe there is some “later” or existence after life.

To this date, there is no verifiable contact with any individual who is deceased. No direct communication of any sort — by spiritualists, ouiji-board, “seers”, priests or even charlatans. Let alone by primitive goatherds, fishermen or roaming tribes-persons three thousand or so years in the past.

SOURCE: (https://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/docs/support/world_religions/judaism/origins.pdf)
The origins of Judaism date back more than 3500 years. This religion is rooted in the ancient near eastern region of Canaan (which today constitutes Israel and the Palestinian territories). Judaism emerged from the beliefs and practices of the people known as “Israel”. What is considered classical, or rabbinical, Judaism did not emerge until the 1st century CE.
Judaism traces its origins to the covenant God made with Abraham and his lineage—that God would make them a sacred people and give them a land. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam share this Abrahamic heritage and are
often referred to as being Abrahamic religions. In other words, they all claim descent from the practices of the ancient Israelites and the worship of the “God of Abraham”. . .”
(Emphasis added).

Yet now there is evidence of organized religion of some sort at Gobekli Tepe ~10,000 years in the past. And now an even older site at Boncuklu Tarla (~11,300 BP). (SOURCE: https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/mini-g-bekli-tepe-0012801)


There IS NO EVIDENCE of any existence of any intelligence after death.

There is no demonstrable proof that has EVER been provided there is a “soul” that persists after death.

There is no verifiable evidence that any particular god or collection of gods or “celestial beings” exist; let alone control our every action(s), and retain interest in “punishing”, “saving” or “rewarding” individuals.


If a god or gods exist(ed), would they be constrained by the rules of the universe they (allegedly) created?

”I heard the following question at a seminar, first posed by Einstein, and was stunned by its elegance and depth: ‘If there is a God who created the entire universe and ALL of its laws of physics, does God follow God's own laws?
Or can God supersede his own laws, such as travelling faster than the speed of light and thus being able to be in two different places at the same time?’
Could the answer help us prove whether or not God exists or is this where scientific empiricism and religious faith intersect, with NO true answer? David Frost, ‘67, Los Angeles.”

(SOURCE: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210301-how-physics-could-prove-god-exists).

There is no definitive proof of the existence of a god or gods. Only belief.

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Nov 10, 2022 23:53:02   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Wyantry wrote:
And therein lies a problem: you have chosen to believe there is some “later” or existence after life.

To this date, there is no verifiable contact with any individual who is deceased. No direct communication of any sort — by spiritualists, ouiji-board, “seers”, priests or even charlatans. Let alone by primitive goatherds, fishermen or roaming tribes-persons three thousand or so years in the past.

SOURCE: (https://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/docs/support/world_religions/judaism/origins.pdf)
The origins of Judaism date back more than 3500 years. This religion is rooted in the ancient near eastern region of Canaan (which today constitutes Israel and the Palestinian territories). Judaism emerged from the beliefs and practices of the people known as “Israel”. What is considered classical, or rabbinical, Judaism did not emerge until the 1st century CE.
Judaism traces its origins to the covenant God made with Abraham and his lineage—that God would make them a sacred people and give them a land. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam share this Abrahamic heritage and are
often referred to as being Abrahamic religions. In other words, they all claim descent from the practices of the ancient Israelites and the worship of the “God of Abraham”. . .”
(Emphasis added).

Yet now there is evidence of organized religion of some sort at Gobekli Tepe ~10,000 years in the past. And now an even older site at Boncuklu Tarla (~11,300 BP). (SOURCE: https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/mini-g-bekli-tepe-0012801)


There IS NO EVIDENCE of any existence of any intelligence after death.

There is no demonstrable proof that has EVER been provided there is a “soul” that persists after death.

There is no verifiable evidence that any particular god or collection of gods or “celestial beings” exist; let alone control our every action(s), and retain interest in “punishing”, “saving” or “rewarding” individuals.


If a god or gods exist(ed), would they be constrained by the rules of the universe they (allegedly) created?

”I heard the following question at a seminar, first posed by Einstein, and was stunned by its elegance and depth: ‘If there is a God who created the entire universe and ALL of its laws of physics, does God follow God's own laws?
Or can God supersede his own laws, such as travelling faster than the speed of light and thus being able to be in two different places at the same time?’
Could the answer help us prove whether or not God exists or is this where scientific empiricism and religious faith intersect, with NO true answer? David Frost, ‘67, Los Angeles.”

(SOURCE: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210301-how-physics-could-prove-god-exists).

There is no definitive proof of the existence of a god or gods. Only belief.
b And therein lies a problem: /b you have chosen... (show quote)


Goodness you are illiterate and dense, there is NO problem with my position in believing in the existence of an afterlife because it is just that, a belief that requires no evidence, I did not make an absolute claim. However, there is a problem with anyone that makes definite and absolute claim that there is NO afterlife, that is just an irrational position and response. In order for one to know for a fact that there is NO afterlife, you would have to posses ALL knowledge in existence. A rational argument that would have more credibility is to say you don't BELIEVE there is an afterlife. It would be just as irrational for me to claim that there is absolutely an afterlife as it is to claim that there is NO afterlife. You wasted your time with such a nonsense and irrational "rebuttal".

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Nov 11, 2022 19:46:17   #
cwp3420
 
Wyantry wrote:
And therein lies a problem: you have chosen to believe there is some “later” or existence after life.

To this date, there is no verifiable contact with any individual who is deceased. No direct communication of any sort — by spiritualists, ouiji-board, “seers”, priests or even charlatans. Let alone by primitive goatherds, fishermen or roaming tribes-persons three thousand or so years in the past.

SOURCE: (https://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/docs/support/world_religions/judaism/origins.pdf)
The origins of Judaism date back more than 3500 years. This religion is rooted in the ancient near eastern region of Canaan (which today constitutes Israel and the Palestinian territories). Judaism emerged from the beliefs and practices of the people known as “Israel”. What is considered classical, or rabbinical, Judaism did not emerge until the 1st century CE.
Judaism traces its origins to the covenant God made with Abraham and his lineage—that God would make them a sacred people and give them a land. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam share this Abrahamic heritage and are
often referred to as being Abrahamic religions. In other words, they all claim descent from the practices of the ancient Israelites and the worship of the “God of Abraham”. . .”
(Emphasis added).

Yet now there is evidence of organized religion of some sort at Gobekli Tepe ~10,000 years in the past. And now an even older site at Boncuklu Tarla (~11,300 BP). (SOURCE: https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/mini-g-bekli-tepe-0012801)


There IS NO EVIDENCE of any existence of any intelligence after death.

There is no demonstrable proof that has EVER been provided there is a “soul” that persists after death.

There is no verifiable evidence that any particular god or collection of gods or “celestial beings” exist; let alone control our every action(s), and retain interest in “punishing”, “saving” or “rewarding” individuals.


If a god or gods exist(ed), would they be constrained by the rules of the universe they (allegedly) created?

”I heard the following question at a seminar, first posed by Einstein, and was stunned by its elegance and depth: ‘If there is a God who created the entire universe and ALL of its laws of physics, does God follow God's own laws?
Or can God supersede his own laws, such as travelling faster than the speed of light and thus being able to be in two different places at the same time?’
Could the answer help us prove whether or not God exists or is this where scientific empiricism and religious faith intersect, with NO true answer? David Frost, ‘67, Los Angeles.”

(SOURCE: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210301-how-physics-could-prove-god-exists).

There is no definitive proof of the existence of a god or gods. Only belief.
b And therein lies a problem: /b you have chosen... (show quote)


Spoken like a true bigot.

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Nov 11, 2022 19:47:34   #
cwp3420
 
Wyantry wrote:
That sounds suspiciously like a THREAT. Is that the true nature of the “benevolent” and “caring” christian god?

Did not think so either . . . .


That’s not a threat, bigot. Just a preview of what’s to come.

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Nov 11, 2022 19:48:09   #
cwp3420
 
bobscho wrote:
Why later? Come on, you know there's no later.


Prove it, bucket mouth.

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Nov 11, 2022 19:48:55   #
cwp3420
 
bobscho wrote:
OK...I'm a liar....


We agree on n something finally.

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Mar 11, 2024 16:17:51   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
rmalarz wrote:
Art, it would seem that the a******n issue certainly clouded the actual "day-to-day" issues which we are all currently facing.
--Bob


It's just a matter of freedom of choice with men being out numbered.

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Mar 11, 2024 17:35:03   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
heh,heh ... Back in Nov 22 these poor MAGA-mugs hadn't even heard of George Santos yet and they were all boldly declaring that Trump was a washed up aberration. A much more simple time.

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