I'm sure this will help them keep their job (Page 3): :sm24: :sm24: I feel pretty confident in saying that Musk probably considered the risk and expense of this action and he saw (or...

FrumCA

LDB415 wrote:

It isn't as if the new pilot wouldn't be fully qualified and competent to fly, rather just needing to learn the placement of all the familiar controls in this new plane. Not as huge an issue as you seem to need to make it.

I feel pretty confident in saying that Musk probably considered the risk and expense of this action and he saw (or sees) a better upside than downside. He will find out soon enough.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

LDB415 wrote:

It isn't as if the new pilot wouldn't be fully qualified and competent to fly, rather just needing to learn the placement of all the familiar controls in this new plane. Not as huge an issue as you seem to need to make it.

Perhaps when asked to train your replacement, you just fall into line. Those who have a lot to offer, and know their value, may not see it as you do.

LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb

thom w wrote:

Perhaps when asked to train your replacement, you just fall into line. Those who have a lot to offer, and know their value, may not see it as you do.

I've never been replaced, only been a replacement upgrade. And when I t***sitioned from one aircraft to another I didn't have to go through ground school and basic all over again. Same when I get a new car. I don't have to relearn driving, just where the climate controls are. I will acknowledge it was a bit bigger chore to move from one programming language to another, but the basics there were and are the same, and moving from one coder's work to another within the same language much easier than changing languages. But you guys for wh**ever reason feeling so desparate to make this a bigger deal about Twitter, maybe due to wanting Musk's clean-up to fail, go ahead.

JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois

Liberal media is freaking out over Musk's acquisition of Twitter because they're afraid free speech will expose their BS lies. Those on the Left who want to shut down free speech are the very ones who claim to fear the destruction of democracy. Hyprocrisy in the Democrat party is not in short supply.

davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel

SteveS wrote:

As Elon Musk prepares to purchase Twitter on Friday, some of the employees thought it wise to write a letter with demands for the new owner. If they really think this was a good idea, their sense of importance is probably higher than he will think it is.

"Twitter Workers"????? They wouldn't be there if the were willing to work. Maybe these morons think stupidjoe will "forgive" the error of their ways in job choice. F. Gump once said "Stupid is as stupid does." Twit Workers are perfect examples of dumb asses being allowed outside by themselves-LOST!

JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ

LDB415 wrote:

I will acknowledge it was a bit bigger chore to move from one programming language to another, but the basics there were and are the same, and moving from one coder's work to another within the same language much easier than changing languages. But you guys for wh**ever reason feeling so desparate to make this a bigger deal about Twitter, maybe due to wanting Musk's clean-up to fail, go ahead.

You seem to be overlooking two key points:

- This is not an ordinary website. It's one of the most high-volume sites on the web. If it goes down for even a few minutes, it makes the news.
- Between firings and people deciding to move on, there is going to be a mass exodus from there.

Getting up to speed on a new code base is much more difficult when there's no one experienced around to help, and you're under a crushing deadline.

JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ

JRiepe wrote:

Liberal media is freaking out over Musk's acquisition of Twitter because they're afraid free speech will expose their BS lies. Those on the Left who want to shut down free speech are the very ones who claim to fear the destruction of democracy. Hyprocrisy in the Democrat party is not in short supply.

HaHaHaHaHa.

First of all, no one is "freaking out" over Musk's purchase. We're amused. Those of us who use it are a bit upset it's about to come crashing down.

We are also upset it'll soon become "all propaganda, all the time" making it pretty much useless for legitimate communication. Remember, all the conservatives had to do to keep their Twitter accounts was to NOT SPREAD LIES!

And, let's cut the BS about who most wants to shut down free speech (hint: it's the party that wants to ban books, and stop teachers from mentioning gay people, and won't allow the teaching of the history of s***ery)

LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb

No, not overlooking them. There are many master level coders not currently working for Leftism Illustrated but who would gladly work for New Twitter to help with the cleanup. A master level Fortran coder will step in anywhere and be up to speed. And yes, I realize they aren't coding Fortran but back in the day it was a biggie and still works as well as any other language name as an example. Substitute APL or BASIC if you prefer. But perhaps you mean a new code base as in bringing in a master level COBOL programmer to work the FORTRAN. Ok, I'll give you a bit more on that.

JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ

LDB415 wrote:

No, not overlooking them. There are many master le... (show quote)

For a minute there, I thought you knew what you were talking about. Apparently, you just know a few buzzwords.

I imagine any remaining Fortran programmers are settled into one company maintaining their decades-old application. I doubt they've been keeping up with modern developments in the technology. (My father was a "master-level" programmer from the 1960s-2000 but he still couldn't understand the Internet)

Twitter is coded in Scala, a modern language that integrates features of object-oriented and functional languages --- neither of which Fortran (nor COBOL) is. These "master-level" programmers would have to learn two new programming paradigms in addition to a completely new language before they could begin to understand the existing codebase. Then there's the dozen or so network and security protocols (most of which you wouldn't need to know --- unless you are running a website which has an entire industry trying to hack it)

LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb

I know it has nothing to do with FORTRAN or COBOL but figured they were as good for examples as anything else and I like them. They were "biggies" when I was in college so I give them props now and then.

fantom Loc: Colorado

JamesCurran wrote:

I'm sure they could be replaced -- eventually. But onboarding a new employee takes time, particularly into a high-tech job. But the plane is already in the air --- this is no time to be training the pilot and the co-pilot and the flight attendants and the ground crew and the control tower.

Do you think you could have squeezed more buzzwords and platitudes into your post?

JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois

JamesCurran wrote:

HaHaHaHaHa. br br First of all, no one is "f... (show quote)

You are so full of it. Conservatives got kicked off for having legitimate concerns over many things they questioned. It was nothing more than a platform for Left Wing propaganda that Conservatives were not allowed to question. Does it really upset you that some parents are protesting the placement of pornographic books in school libraries? Left Wing teachers want to eliminate parent's rights so they can take over their children's minds and mold their brains into their sick ideology. I've seen clips of what the L*****t media is saying about Twitter under Musk and believe me they are freaking out. Didn't the New York Post have the right to write about H****r's laptop? Who was the misinformation god on Twitter who was so damn smart that they absolutely knew what was or wasn't true? I guess you're willing to take as gospel anything anyone on the Left tells you without questioning anything. Your kind are exactly the kind of puppets they love.

fantom Loc: Colorado

JRiepe wrote:

You are so full of it. Conservatives got kicked o... (show quote)

Excellent, accurate and well thought out comments.---too bad that it won't sink into many of the brainwashed dupes on this site.

JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ

Comments from an actual expert on these matters:

https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1588619219913961472

Okay, okay. A thread on why this is a screaming red f**g as a Cloud Economist...
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Most client requests are of the form "help us predict and control our spend." Occasionally it's "lower the bill." Almost never is it "lower the bill by X dollars."

That happens as a side-effect of the others; pursuing it as the defined goal is courting disaster.
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You can save a boatload of money by, for example, deleting the data warehouse.

Yeah, that (probably) doesn't break Twitter's functionality, but suddenly your reporting doesn't exist anymore, along with your insights into what's happening on the platform.
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A significant spend source is observability. Turning all of that off will cut a giant portion of your bill--but the next time Twitter goes down there's a decent chance that it never comes back up again.

You absolutely don't need backups until suddenly you very much do.
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Further, I've spoken with a number of folks over the years who until recently worked at Twitter.

I'm not sure who needs to hear it, but these people aren't i***ts. They're incredibly smart and capable. They weren't doing economically dumb things.
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Twitter has also been around for ~15 years. A lot of infrastructure "cruft" has built up. "Is that important or can it be turned off" is the kind of thing best answered via asking people.

50% of Twitter was let go today, and your oral tradition just walked out the door too.
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Saving a billion a year without massive re-engineering might (**MIGHT!!!**) be possible if and only if they had done none of this work ever before.
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