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Oct 12, 2022 19:57:38   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/12/putin-russia-us-missile-defense-nato-ukraine/

https://www.reuters.com/markets/stocks/putin-warns-russia-will-act-if-nato-crosses-its-red-lines-ukraine-2021-11-30/

Again we were about to go to war with Russia for the same thing in Cuba

Now someone tell me did NATO cross the red line or did Putin use it as an excuse





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Oct 12, 2022 21:29:24   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
soba1 wrote:
Thats my understanding of it. If you have documentation argument to prove otherwise Im open.


Russia is Russia. Russia was not the USSR.

The USSR contained Russia...and numerous other states...that are now independent sovereign nations like Russia.

Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR...first Crimea, then Ukraine, next maybe the Baltic states, then maybe Georgia, maybe Armenia, maybe Azerbaijan, maybe Belarussia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, etc, etc.

Many current independent countries made up the USSR...not just Russia.

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Oct 12, 2022 22:53:44   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
mwalsh wrote:
Russia is Russia. Russia was not the USSR.

The USSR contained Russia...and numerous other states...that are now independent sovereign nations like Russia.

Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR...first Crimea, then Ukraine, next maybe the Baltic states, then maybe Georgia, maybe Armenia, maybe Azerbaijan, maybe Belarussia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, etc, etc.

Many current independent countries made up the USSR...not just Russia.


We may well be on our way to WWIII

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Oct 12, 2022 23:02:04   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
soba1 wrote:
I do believe all of Ukraine was once part of the USSR.
I liken the NATO encroachment on Russia back to when
the US was strong and we had a President with nads
to the Cuban Missile crisis. Is it really any different. What cost
as Americans are we willing to pay. Are we ready to fight a two front war Taiwan and Europe.
Where do we get the gas to fight a war since we are no longer energy independent.
Are we ready to risk the invasion of the US from Russia and China.
Think about the consequences of a weakened US engaging in such a conflict.
I do believe all of Ukraine was once part of the U... (show quote)


And Alaska was once part of Russia... past tense Soba1. Ukraine was once a part of Poland do you see Poland making outlandish claims to Ukraine? Ukraine has been a sovereign nation for 31 years. Putin wants to go down in history as the man the rebuilt the USSR. He will go down in history as the man who destroyed Russia.

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Oct 12, 2022 23:05:48   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
soba1 wrote:
We may well be on our way to WWIII


We certainly will be if Putin is allowed to succeed. Soba, Putin will not stop until he is stopped. His next act will be to throw a tactical nuclear weapon into the Black to show he is serious. It still won't stop Ukraine. This why:



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Oct 12, 2022 23:57:10   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
DukeTarHeel wrote:
And Alaska was once part of Russia... past tense Soba1. Ukraine was once a part of Poland do you see Poland making outlandish claims to Ukraine? Ukraine has been a sovereign nation for 31 years. Putin wants to go down in history as the man the rebuilt the USSR. He will go down in history as the man who destroyed Russia.


It will be interesting to see how it all plays out is all I can say.

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Oct 13, 2022 00:11:37   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
DukeTarHeel wrote:
We certainly will be if Putin is allowed to succeed. Soba, Putin will not stop until he is stopped. His next act will be to throw a tactical nuclear weapon into the Black to show he is serious. It still won't stop Ukraine. This why:




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Oct 13, 2022 13:26:46   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Russia will not back down

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Oct 13, 2022 16:43:22   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
soba1 wrote:
Russia will not back down


Russia is ready the throw Putin down an elevator shaft.

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Oct 13, 2022 21:15:10   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Texcaster wrote:
Russia is ready the throw Putin down an elevator shaft.


I pray you are right…..

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Oct 15, 2022 00:50:45   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
soba1 wrote:
I pray you are right…..


His people are ready to kick his ass out of office.

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Oct 15, 2022 01:31:12   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
letmedance wrote:
His people are ready to kick his ass out of office.


It will have to be from the inside

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Oct 16, 2022 08:13:10   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
soba1 wrote:
Russia will not back down


For someone who not infrequently pushes machismo as better than sliced bread, you sure never miss an opportunity to capitulate. I guess all the chest thumping only lasts until you get scared.

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Oct 16, 2022 08:14:03   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
soba1 wrote:
It will have to be from the inside


Do you think that may be why he said "his people"?

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Oct 16, 2022 22:05:16   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
thom w wrote:
For someone who not infrequently pushes machismo as better than sliced bread, you sure never miss an opportunity to capitulate. I guess all the chest thumping only lasts until you get scared.


My whole point is for what….

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