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Oct 8, 2022 09:21:53   #
mindzye Loc: WV
 
Right along the line of Southern boys sticking their bare hands in an underwater opening trying to catch catfish.
'till one got sucked in, and the 'art' seemed to lost some of it's steam

Just goes to show the heights - or depths of what some do for entertainment and an adrenaline rush.
Fortunately through all the stuff I did as a youngster I'm still here - I think finally my survival gene has kicked in

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Oct 8, 2022 09:27:34   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
Yes, New Hampshire has a law allowing State rescue agencies to pass the cost of a rescue on to the fools who think hiking the summits of the White Mountains (especially Mt. Washington) is something that can be safely done in shorts and flip flops. Rescues are not only hugely expensive, they put the lives of rescuers at risk since rescues are often done in the dark under adverse weather conditions.

I have a friend who is a "cave rated" scuba diver. It takes years of training and practice and combines three petrifying fears; drowning, getting hopelessly lost and claustrophobia, into one great experience. I've questioned his sanity when he says he does it "for fun."

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Oct 8, 2022 09:28:15   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
mindzye wrote:
Right along the line of Southern boys sticking their bare hands in an underwater opening trying to catch catfish.
'till one got sucked in, and the 'art' seemed to lost some of it's steam

Just goes to show the heights - or depths of what some do for entertainment and an adrenaline rush.
Fortunately through all the stuff I did as a youngster I'm still here - I think finally my survival gene has kicked in


Looks like you and some others have missed the point of the OP
The point is who should pay for the rescues? , with their lives and tax dollars. And at what point would an activity be considered HIGH RISK?

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Oct 8, 2022 09:31:14   #
Don W-37 Loc: Bangkok, Thailand
 
You are absolutely correct, Jerry. It happens all over the world. It happened here in Thailand when a teacher took his 12 students into a cave just a few days before the rainy season. But rain it did! Tropical downpour so heavy a flash flood inundated the cave before they could get out. It took 9 days for rescuers find and another 8 days to get them out a a cost of one divers life and millions of dollars in expenses. Rescuers came from all over the world and over 10,000 people were involved. All because of one irresponsible teacher!

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Oct 8, 2022 09:31:28   #
St.Mary's
 
mindzye -- That's called "noodling". Personally, my religion does not allow me to noodle, but in general it does not allow me to do a lot of things. Another example is climbing communication towers.

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Oct 8, 2022 09:32:18   #
Stephan G
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an article from NH pushed me to post this.

Some people like to climb mountains, explore caves, and swim through flooded caves. Then they run into trouble and call for help. Up to a hundred rescuers spend several days trying to help them, with some of the rescuers dying as a result. I realize we are free to explore wherever we want, but isn't there a limit to what we can expect others to do when we run into a problem. Yes, I know that many of the rescuers are volunteers, but a volunteer who rushes from his house and never returns might regret his decision. At least his wife and kids would regret it.

If you are climbing mountains thousands of feet high with blizzard conditions, you know you are putting your life at risk. How can you expect dozens of other people to risk their lives to save you? The same goes for exploring caves and cave diving. Those activities are incredibly dangerous, and the people know that going in. In many cave diving locations, there are signs with pictures of the Grim Reaper warning divers to go no farther, yet they continue, get stuck, and die. Then volunteers have to go where no one should be going to recover the body.

What prompted me to finally post this is an article in Today's Boston Globe. The state of NH has limited resources to rescue hikers who run into problems.

...hikers venturing into the mountains with minimal precautions, especially during the pandemic, when a surge of novices had embraced the outdoors with little appreciation for its dangers. It had strained the capacity of rescuers, a hardy band of government employees and volunteers, and placed them in precarious situations time and again.

...prompting New Hampshire officials to take a defiant stand against irresponsible hiking that has rippled through the mountaineering world from the Cascades to the Blue Ridge Mountains.

The sign below is located in caves throughout the world, warning divers to go no farther.
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an artic... (show quote)


Then we have those weathermen who believe that they are immune to the vagaries of Hurricanes, especially the amateurs. We will forgo adding some of those who, having the opportunity, refuse to leave the forecasted hurricane landing locations.

I am reminded of that cartoon depicting the bomb-dud testers.

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Oct 8, 2022 10:11:14   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Great post, Jerry, stupid people do stupid things.

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Oct 8, 2022 10:12:24   #
Fotoserj Loc: St calixte Qc Ca
 
If they were billed for the cost of their rescue, some would have second tough before venturing out in minimal condition

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Oct 8, 2022 10:19:51   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Russian Roulette has proven to be a dangerous hobby as well.

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Oct 8, 2022 10:21:19   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Russian Roulette has proven to be a dangerous hobby as well.


But it cures the stupidity!!

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Oct 8, 2022 10:27:39   #
Canisdirus
 
The best rule is the one we utilize today.

Anyone who needs or asks for help gets it...and society is willing to shoulder that burden if necessary.

Once you begin to make 'rules' on who is helped...it all goes south.

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Oct 8, 2022 10:51:51   #
Nantahalan Loc: Savannah originally; western NC now
 
Next thing you know, a cancer/heart insurance fee will be proposed for cigarettes.

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Oct 8, 2022 10:59:31   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
Canisdirus wrote:
The best rule is the one we utilize today.

Anyone who needs or asks for help gets it...and society is willing to shoulder that burden if necessary.

Once you begin to make 'rules' on who is helped...it all goes south.


Agreed!!! Now we are talking about nothing but a piece of paper backed by nothing compared to a life who may have children at home just like the volunteer rescuers. Who decides what is dangerous? Driving a car is the most dangerous thing most people ever do but we are actually expected to do it. I personally have stayed thru a hurricane. Maybe the difference is I NEVER expect help. I will never call for help if lost unless my wife or children are with me. My opinion means as much as everyone else's. NOTHING. lol. But I think if you take the money out of the equation humanity is what matters.

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Oct 8, 2022 11:05:05   #
pendennis
 
Stephan G wrote:
Then we have those weathermen who believe that they are immune to the vagaries of Hurricanes, especially the amateurs. We will forgo adding some of those who, having the opportunity, refuse to leave the forecasted hurricane landing locations.

I am reminded of that cartoon depicting the bomb-dud testers.


Reminds me of a lark about 51 years ago. Hurricane Camille rampaged the Gulf Coast of the U.S. in August 1969. It then ran across Alabama and Georgia before revitalizing itself over the Atlantic. She then headed northward, toward the New England coast. I was stationed at the Davisville Rhode Island Seabee base. The base commander ordered all preparations for storm survival, just in case Camille hit the Narragansett area. We prepped our Quonset huts as best as possible, which included masking all windows, etc. Our sister base, Quonset Point NAS, dispersed all aircraft, and even send some small ships away.

On the day the hurricane was to come near the coast, the base commander ordered all hands off duty, and to seek shelter. Luckily, four of my buds and I decided to buy a couple of cases of beer and seek shelter at the Coast Guard station at Point Judith. We sat outside the lighthouse, and watched Camille pass off-shore, seaward of Block Island.

Just goes to show that at age 22, we were positive that we were invincible.

PS - About six months later, my unit was sent to the Seabee base at Gulfport, MS. We got a first-hand look at the devastation. Besides the buildings/homes that were destroyed, there were at least a half-dozen tug boats blown more than 200 yards inland, across U.S. 90.

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Oct 8, 2022 11:05:12   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an article from NH pushed me to post this.

Some people like to climb mountains, explore caves, and swim through flooded caves. Then they run into trouble and call for help. Up to a hundred rescuers spend several days trying to help them, with some of the rescuers dying as a result. I realize we are free to explore wherever we want, but isn't there a limit to what we can expect others to do when we run into a problem. Yes, I know that many of the rescuers are volunteers, but a volunteer who rushes from his house and never returns might regret his decision. At least his wife and kids would regret it.

If you are climbing mountains thousands of feet high with blizzard conditions, you know you are putting your life at risk. How can you expect dozens of other people to risk their lives to save you? The same goes for exploring caves and cave diving. Those activities are incredibly dangerous, and the people know that going in. In many cave diving locations, there are signs with pictures of the Grim Reaper warning divers to go no farther, yet they continue, get stuck, and die. Then volunteers have to go where no one should be going to recover the body.

What prompted me to finally post this is an article in Today's Boston Globe. The state of NH has limited resources to rescue hikers who run into problems.

...hikers venturing into the mountains with minimal precautions, especially during the pandemic, when a surge of novices had embraced the outdoors with little appreciation for its dangers. It had strained the capacity of rescuers, a hardy band of government employees and volunteers, and placed them in precarious situations time and again.

...prompting New Hampshire officials to take a defiant stand against irresponsible hiking that has rippled through the mountaineering world from the Cascades to the Blue Ridge Mountains.

The sign below is located in caves throughout the world, warning divers to go no farther.
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an artic... (show quote)


People engaging in high risk activities on public properties for personal pleasure should have to post a bond or have insurance to cover the expense of their rescues, If not they should have to pay the cost of their rescue.
One instance: I have noticed disclaimers post on trails that The trail can be slick when wet ( geez no kidding) if you take that trail and get hurt you are responsible for your medical care, why not your rescue? It might make people think before deciding to go off the trail ( high risk). However I doubt it !!

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