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Oct 8, 2022 17:41:07   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an article from NH pushed me to post this.

Some people like to climb mountains, explore caves, and swim through flooded caves. Then they run into trouble and call for help. Up to a hundred rescuers spend several days trying to help them, with some of the rescuers dying as a result. I realize we are free to explore wherever we want, but isn't there a limit to what we can expect others to do when we run into a problem. Yes, I know that many of the rescuers are volunteers, but a volunteer who rushes from his house and never returns might regret his decision. At least his wife and kids would regret it.

If you are climbing mountains thousands of feet high with blizzard conditions, you know you are putting your life at risk. How can you expect dozens of other people to risk their lives to save you? The same goes for exploring caves and cave diving. Those activities are incredibly dangerous, and the people know that going in. In many cave diving locations, there are signs with pictures of the Grim Reaper warning divers to go no farther, yet they continue, get stuck, and die. Then volunteers have to go where no one should be going to recover the body.

What prompted me to finally post this is an article in Today's Boston Globe. The state of NH has limited resources to rescue hikers who run into problems.

...hikers venturing into the mountains with minimal precautions, especially during the pandemic, when a surge of novices had embraced the outdoors with little appreciation for its dangers. It had strained the capacity of rescuers, a hardy band of government employees and volunteers, and placed them in precarious situations time and again.

...prompting New Hampshire officials to take a defiant stand against irresponsible hiking that has rippled through the mountaineering world from the Cascades to the Blue Ridge Mountains.

The sign below is located in caves throughout the world, warning divers to go no farther.
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an artic... (show quote)


A warning to wouldbe Darwin Award Contestants. Another example of why you cannot fix stupid.

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Oct 8, 2022 19:50:23   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Whew! Thanks. I'm sure there will be other opinions.


One of the prettiest places I know is Glen Onoko. It is a brisk stream that flows for about half a mile down the crotch where two hills meet. The climb is difficult and there have been many injuries (mostly sprained ankles and broken legs and arms), but there have been a few deaths through the years as well. Thirty years ago when first moving to the area I would hike the trail a couple of times a year. There are many waterfalls and while most are knee high, there are three major falls of about 8, 15, and 33 ft. with the large fall at the very top of the hill. About three years ago the park service put up signs closing the trail. They said they could no longer endanger their rangers and volunteers to pluck people out of ravines and off hillsides. Today if caught on the trail there is a 75.00 fine.

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Oct 9, 2022 03:46:26   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an article from NH pushed me to post this.

Some people like to climb mountains, explore caves, and swim through flooded caves. Then they run into trouble and call for help. Up to a hundred rescuers spend several days trying to help them, with some of the rescuers dying as a result. I realize we are free to explore wherever we want, but isn't there a limit to what we can expect others to do when we run into a problem. Yes, I know that many of the rescuers are volunteers, but a volunteer who rushes from his house and never returns might regret his decision. At least his wife and kids would regret it.

If you are climbing mountains thousands of feet high with blizzard conditions, you know you are putting your life at risk. How can you expect dozens of other people to risk their lives to save you? The same goes for exploring caves and cave diving. Those activities are incredibly dangerous, and the people know that going in. In many cave diving locations, there are signs with pictures of the Grim Reaper warning divers to go no farther, yet they continue, get stuck, and die. Then volunteers have to go where no one should be going to recover the body.

What prompted me to finally post this is an article in Today's Boston Globe. The state of NH has limited resources to rescue hikers who run into problems.

...hikers venturing into the mountains with minimal precautions, especially during the pandemic, when a surge of novices had embraced the outdoors with little appreciation for its dangers. It had strained the capacity of rescuers, a hardy band of government employees and volunteers, and placed them in precarious situations time and again.

...prompting New Hampshire officials to take a defiant stand against irresponsible hiking that has rippled through the mountaineering world from the Cascades to the Blue Ridge Mountains.

The sign below is located in caves throughout the world, warning divers to go no farther.
I've had this on my mind for a while, and an artic... (show quote)


Most problems requiring rescue boils down from a proud but weak mind that easily gives up when tested.
It is often the result of brashness, the inability to properly judge one's capability, unpreparedness, too much trust on others, the inability to be factual and inability to learn.
I can have a long rant on this subject having done a lot of dangerous hobbies and had been a volunteer rescuer for a while. IMHO, the first statement is usually the culprit, aside from mother nature created incidents.

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Oct 9, 2022 04:11:59   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Bridges wrote:
One of the prettiest places I know is Glen Onoko. It is a brisk stream that flows for about half a mile down the crotch where two hills meet. The climb is difficult and there have been many injuries (mostly sprained ankles and broken legs and arms), but there have been a few deaths through the years as well. Thirty years ago when first moving to the area I would hike the trail a couple of times a year. There are many waterfalls and while most are knee high, there are three major falls of about 8, 15, and 33 ft. with the large fall at the very top of the hill. About three years ago the park service put up signs closing the trail. They said they could no longer endanger their rangers and volunteers to pluck people out of ravines and off hillsides. Today if caught on the trail there is a 75.00 fine.
One of the prettiest places I know is Glen Onoko. ... (show quote)


The clear logic to that is; as a rescuer, rule number 1 is not to be another victim.

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Oct 9, 2022 21:03:00   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
But... What about a photographer hiking to photograph a waterfall and a tree falls down or he or she accidental slips and breaks a leg. Lots of people would class this as a dangerous activity. Just where do you draw this line. People do stupid things while driving everyday. Should we make them pay for the rescue? There are many mountain rescues in New Zealand but no one complains because it's financed by tourism dollars as it would be in most developed parts of the world.

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Oct 9, 2022 22:07:46   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
Dennis833 wrote:
But... What about a photographer hiking to photograph a waterfall and a tree falls down or he or she accidental slips and breaks a leg. Lots of people would class this as a dangerous activity. Just where do you draw this line. People do stupid things while driving everyday. Should we make them pay for the rescue? There are many mountain rescues in New Zealand but no one complains because it's financed by tourism dollars as it would be in most developed parts of the world.


Money is one thing but I guess when a rescuer is killed in New Zealand the family is comforted by knowing the funeral will be paid for with tourism dollars.

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Oct 10, 2022 00:04:49   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Most of the time,

R - recover
E - errant
S - stupid/selfish
C - (*unts) citysent
U - under
E - extreme
D - conditions

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Oct 10, 2022 03:12:11   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
Arizona enacted the Stupid Driver Law for the idiots who drive through a running wash after a monsoon storm. It is rarely used unfortunately. Once the news showed a live rescue of five or six people stuck in the middle of a normally dry wash which was running several feet deep. A helicopter arrived and saved each passenger from the Hummer's sun roof. Once they were safe the chopper returned for the driver. They picked him up and placed him on the shore, safe, and he raised his arms and pumped them in victory. What an idiot. He had to drive around barricades to even get stuck. The state charged him for his rescue. I wish the state used this law more.

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Oct 10, 2022 05:58:10   #
BebuLamar
 
Laramie wrote:
Arizona enacted the Stupid Driver Law for the idiots who drive through a running wash after a monsoon storm. It is rarely used unfortunately. Once the news showed a live rescue of five or six people stuck in the middle of a normally dry wash which was running several feet deep. A helicopter arrived and saved each passenger from the Hummer's sun roof. Once they were safe the chopper returned for the driver. They picked him up and placed him on the shore, safe, and he raised his arms and pumped them in victory. What an idiot. He had to drive around barricades to even get stuck. The state charged him for his rescue. I wish the state used this law more.
Arizona enacted the Stupid Driver Law for the idio... (show quote)


I think it's fair because if you get sick because you're unlucky or because you do stupid things they still treat you and they still charge you big buck. Why not charging for the cost of the rescue?

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Oct 10, 2022 09:55:42   #
pendennis
 
Dennis833 wrote:
But... What about a photographer hiking to photograph a waterfall and a tree falls down or he or she accidental slips and breaks a leg. Lots of people would class this as a dangerous activity. Just where do you draw this line. People do stupid things while driving everyday. Should we make them pay for the rescue? There are many mountain rescues in New Zealand but no one complains because it's financed by tourism dollars as it would be in most developed parts of the world.


You make a great point. There's no telling when a photographer can slip on leaf-covered water, rocks, or ice (Ask me how I know). We all go into areas of unknown danger, and even when we have our "Spidey" senses on high alert, we can still get injured, or worse. Stuff happens.

There's an old adage used in the military, and its true in nature - "Doing nothing can get you killed."

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Oct 10, 2022 18:11:32   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
pendennis wrote:
You make a great point. There's no telling when a photographer can slip on leaf-covered water, rocks, or ice (Ask me how I know). We all go into areas of unknown danger, and even when we have our "Spidey" senses on high alert, we can still get injured, or worse. Stuff happens.

There's an old adage used in the military, and its true in nature - "Doing nothing can get you killed."


Thanks, IMO I don't think this is something that we should be concerned about. There are to many other more important issues in the world that need more attention.

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Oct 11, 2022 03:21:22   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think it's fair because if you get sick because you're unlucky or because you do stupid things they still treat you and they still charge you big buck. Why not charging for the cost of the rescue?

Agreed, definitely fair, as the county places barricades on either side of these washes and yet idiots still drive around them. Charge 'em all.

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