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Oct 6, 2022 11:36:26   #
Hip Coyote
 
As someone far wiser than me said, "Watson, it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly, one will twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." We could speculate all day as to what someone's photographic issues are. Without a photograph, camera info, etc. it is all folly.

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Oct 6, 2022 11:43:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
As someone far wiser than me said, "Watson, it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly, one will twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." We could speculate all day as to what someone's photographic issues are. Without a photograph, camera info, etc. it is all folly.




Or random possibility...

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Oct 6, 2022 12:00:31   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
blackest wrote:
.../..Iso helps reduce the light needed for the shot but it can be interesting how it moves the dynamic range of the camera. Exposing a middle gray subject at say iso 100 gives more dynamic range to the shadows and less to the highlights. .../...

Actually, this is a poor concept. The DR is divided equally (as far I know). Using the base ISO basically kills a good part of the camera DR capabilities, as the sensor is unable to capture below a sensitivity that needs to be determined by experimenting. I use a D850 and a D500. The D850 needs ISO 800 to get an optimal DR (14DR) the D500 overs between ISO 800 and 1000. To check, I use a Black Grey White target. Then I check the color noise in the black, then in the grey. That is why I mentioned earlier to use a dynamic range that starts at ISO 800. This number, of course, depends on your camera capability to capture the dark.

When testing I use ACR I do three things first:
► Optical correction
► Aberration
► Defringe
 Then I reduce the color noise to 0 and check the darker grey areas for visible noise (600% magnification and above). If the noise is minimal (acceptable) I have my lower ISO for the range.

When I PP a capture, I do the exact same thing, but I adjust the slider to remove the color noise, usually around 10~12. ACR over corrects. (see samples)

 

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Oct 6, 2022 12:27:28   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Actually, this is a poor concept. The DR is divided equally (as far I know). Using the base ISO basically kills a good part of the camera DR capabilities, as the sensor is unable to capture below a sensitivity that needs to be determined by experimenting. I use a D850 and a D500. The D850 needs ISO 800 to get an optimal DR (14DR) the D500 overs between ISO 800 and 1000. To check, I use a Black Grey White target. Then I check the color noise in the black, then in the grey. That is why I mentioned earlier to use a dynamic range that starts at ISO 800. This number, of course, depends on your camera capability to capture the dark.

When testing I use ACR I do two things first:
► Optical correction
► Aberration
► Defringe
► Then I reduce the color noise to 0 and check the darker grey areas for visible noise (600% magnification and above). If the noise is minimal (acceptable) I have my lower ISO for the range.

When I PP a capture, I do the exact same thing, but I adjust the slider to remove the color noise, usually around 10~12. ACR over corrects. (see samples)

 
Actually, this is a poor concept. The DR is divid... (show quote)


This getting silly. My eyes glaze over trying to digest the physics and jargon. Getting a sharply focused picture just isn’t that complicated. I do it daily without all of the myriad of tinkering you are explain. I’ll bet most of us here do too.

I am thoroughly impressed with your vast knowledge of how to “properly” focus. Wonder how I have survived so long in the business without taking your class? Enough already with the techno babble.

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Oct 6, 2022 13:19:25   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The D850 needs ISO 800 to get an optimal DR (14DR) the D500 overs between ISO 800 and 1000. To check, I use a Black Grey White target. Then I check the color noise in the black, then in the grey. That is why I mentioned earlier to use a dynamic range that starts at ISO 800. This number, of course, depends on your camera capability to capture the dark. 


I believe the results of your personal testing. It seems well thought out. The concept of greatest dynamic range at base ISO is repeated over and over, and this chart on the D850 sensor by DXOMark shows that. Personally, I try to use ISO 400-800 on my D850 when lighting conditions are good. This keeps the shutter speeds high, especially in daylight, and I don't worry about motion blur. High megapixel cameras are very prone to motion blur. VR is only a partial solution. It keeps me from going above about ISO 3200 in challenging lighting conditions, like in a church or some museums and even in my house.



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Oct 6, 2022 17:05:07   #
Dannj
 
User ID wrote:
Cuz talking to that pair would be like talking to a wall but talking to Hawgs is like talking to two walls.


👍😂

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Oct 6, 2022 19:10:15   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
Dannj wrote:
Just wondering why you didn’t tell them what they were doing wrong instead of telling us.



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Oct 6, 2022 21:24:26   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
Maybe I am missing something here. It was stated that the photographers were complaining about the lack of sharpness: no other part of their overheard conversation. Sounds like very little info to decide what they might be in error about. Therefore any answer would seem unable to solve their problem without more info.

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Oct 6, 2022 21:31:50   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
Maybe I am missing something here? Seems to me they are complaining about a lack of sharpness; no other information provided. Sounds to me that without any other explanation it would be very difficult to analyze their problem. Am I in error?
Sorry about the repeat. Thought my original reply did not register.

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Oct 6, 2022 22:35:38   #
User ID
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Only two?

"Two walls" refers to two large groups arguing opposing photographic religions.

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Oct 6, 2022 22:39:42   #
User ID
 
whatdat wrote:
Maybe I am missing something here. It was stated that the photographers were complaining about the lack of sharpness: no other part of their overheard conversation. Sounds like very little info to decide what they might be in error about. Therefore any answer would seem unable to solve their problem without more info.

Its a matter of UHH Sacred Tradition.
Solid logic, and reality, are irrelevant.

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Oct 7, 2022 00:55:47   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
User ID wrote:
Its a matter of UHH Sacred Tradition.
Solid logic, and reality, are irrelevant.


Did you mean to say frowned upon instead of irrelevant?

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Oct 7, 2022 01:41:05   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
fantom wrote:
Did you mean to say frowned upon instead of irrelevant?


One doesn't exclude the other.

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Oct 7, 2022 02:53:10   #
User ID
 
fantom wrote:
Did you mean to say frowned upon ............


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Oct 7, 2022 03:25:02   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Today I was the witness of a conversation between two 'photographers' who obviously did not anything about their cameras...

Both complained of the lack of sharpness.

Turns out they both use the infamous VR, expecting it to be the cure of all ills.

They demonstrated an ignorance I could not believe. VR 'allows for a lower speed' That is inherently wrong. Sure, there is some truth in it when dealing with a static object, but a moving one? That is wrong. The subject motion is and must be what determines the speed used if one wants tack sharp capture. You can play with the dof or ISO, not with the speed.

Then they did not take into account the type of sensor array their camera has, such as the density of it. The smaller the individual sensors are, the faster the shutter speed needs to be.

Then there was their use of JPG which opens yet another can of worm.

These two are 'shooting' weddings, more like a terminal execution in my opinion. A firing squad should be the next step, as in 'YOU ARE FIRED!!!'.

The issues are, again, in my opinion., a near complete ignorance of their cameras' capabilities and utter misunderstanding of what DR does and where.

VR helps stabilize the camera lens combination when hand holding it. It does not compensate for the subject motion at all.

So if your shots are not up to your expectation first and foremost check your capture speed. Since dof is an important part of having your subject within the acceptable field of sharpness*, the only setting you can use is the ISO setting. And to use ISO effectively, you need to shoot raw and know your sensor capabilities (DR as well as optimal ISO for invariant sensors). If using auto ISO the lower limit is the one that allows for the minimal speed to use in order to capture an image that is sharp.

In short, stop complaining like these two and take the steps necessary to reduce the throw-away due to lack of sharpness.

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* I do not use depth of field because the acceptable field of sharpness is shorter than the depth of field, even if the two terms are used interchangeably by many.
Today I was the witness of a conversation between ... (show quote)


For someone that constantly whines about other peoples "blurry" or "lack of sharpness" photo's, YOURS is no better.

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