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Sep 25, 2022 11:46:37   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Golf course irrigation can use treated wastewater.

A swimming pool requires a one-time consumption to fill it. Objectively, we can see this use as wasteful, although beneficial, but on a small scale. The daily demand for water presents the concern.
Wyantry wrote:
Or even better: We could ban all those water-wasting GOLF COURSES!

”. . . An average 18-hole golf facility in the Southwest region uses an average of 4 acre-feet of water per irrigated acre per year.”https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Water%20Resource%20Center/how-much-water-does-golf-use.pdf

”One acre-foot of water is the amount of water covering a one-acre area - roughly one football field - to a depth of one foot, which is equal to 325,851 gallons.”https://www.usga.org/course-care/water-resource-center/how-much-water-golf-courses-need.html

1,303,404 GALLONS per year for an 18 hole course.

(One Million Three Hundred Thousand (plus) gallons!)
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Sep 25, 2022 11:56:23   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
BobHartung wrote:
My brother-in-law owns a Honda Dealership and they are preparing for the introduction of EVs next year. So far Honda has made no mention of any recycling plans.

In addition, the batteries weigh 3000 lbs. The attached map shows recycling centers, not all of which recover materials, some repurpose the batteries as long as they are not damaged.

If a Semi trailer has a load capacity of 45,000 lbs the means it can carry 15 batteries. We will not have enough trucks, drivers, or charging stations to move the number of batteries even a 50% uptake of EVs would entail.

The real answer in my opinion, is to continue development of alternative battery technology while building reliable (read Nuclear) electric generation capabilities and improving the Grid; and then begin the t***sition to EVs.

The sanctimonious pushers of "Green" technology like Gavin Newsom have the cart before the horse and the citizens of this country are going to pay the price, just like Europe is paying now.
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How many batteries do you expect EVs to go through in a year? Don't you believe that after market companies will be supplying batteries for the more popular models? What does the number of charging stations have to do with "moving batteries"? Considering that a leaf 40 KW battery weighs about 460 lbs, A Tesla model S 100 D battery weighs about 1375 lbs, a Hummer battery (the heaviest EV battery) weighs 2,923 lbs, I'm somewhat skeptical of your 3,000 lb number. Did you go through the weights to quickly, or were you trying to make your strongest case, and praying no one would fact check?

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Sep 25, 2022 12:07:45   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
LDB415 wrote:
I believe they use around 120 gallons per week. So you would be against banning pools. Does that mean you also are against banning guns and using better methods to protect the children then as well?


I don't have enough information to be either for or against banning pools, though I suspect I wouldn't be for banning pools. I would want to see exactly what the benefits would be, and what the negatives are. I've never been supportive of a gun ban, though I believe more control is needed. I'm probably for any means of protecting children that has more positives than negatives. I do believe a gun ban would save lives and have other possible positives, but I'm not convinced it's needed.

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Sep 25, 2022 15:44:50   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
BobHartung wrote:
The sanctimonious pushers of "Green" technology like Gavin Newsom have the cart before the horse and the citizens of this country are going to pay the price, just like Europe is paying now.

What do you mean with "pay the price, just like Europe is paying now." ??

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Sep 25, 2022 17:38:34   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
thom w wrote:
Are you familiar with just how much water is required to produce food? If you are, and farmers could do great with a twenty percent reduction of water, then great. If you aren't (I know I'm not) I would tread lightly on messing with the water allocation to farmers.


Saudi 'farmers' no longer produce water intensive crops at home. The Saudi's have been in the Cal. Central Valley since the 70s

https://m.andnowuknow.com/quick-dish/saudi-arabian-company-purchases-land-outsource-drought-california/jessica-donnel/48897#:~:text=Starting%20in%202014%2C%20Saudi%2Downed,in%20La%20Paz%20County%2C%20Arizona.

WESTERN UNITED STATES - For the past several years, the drought-stricken nation of Saudi Arabia has been using a new strategy to help conserve water—growing in California. If you’re asking yourself why would the country choose one of the most notoriously parched states in the U.S. as the home of its most water-thirsty crops, you’re not alone. The answer? It’s looser water restrictions for growers.

Starting in 2014, Saudi-owned Almarai dairy company has purchased about 14,000 acres of farmland in the Western U.S.—enough to feed its 170,000 cows. Paying $31.5 million in January for 1,790 acres of land in California’s Palo Verde Valley and $47.5 million for more than 9,800 acres in La Paz County, Arizona. These two purchases are on top of buying about 2,000 acres in California last year.

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