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Sep 28, 2022 07:38:34   #
EJMcD
 
R.G. wrote:
Hey, posting selfies is a sign of vanity .


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Sep 28, 2022 09:53:21   #
User ID
 
R.G. wrote:
Hey, posting selfies is a sign of vanity .

Another one in need of fresh material ...

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Sep 28, 2022 10:51:08   #
EJMcD
 
User ID wrote:
Another one in need of fresh material ...


If you stop posting maybe we'll see some. We've lost count of the ridiculous, repetitive, juvenile images that you post all the time. Acoarst you're probably going for page 20.

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Sep 28, 2022 11:17:54   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
User ID wrote:
Sorry. I thought everyone knew the old classic merry go round. Works with or without a meter reading.

Just spin the dials til you get something decent, and if it needs adjustment you adjust it. Its verrrrry easy and does not require subscribing to or defending any belief system.


Okey. Very familiar with that method, just never heard a name put to it.

I was so happy to take my new digital camera to Dayton AF Museum, till i got to building 3. I had been happily shooting in Auto mode, then in that all black building, all I could get of an airplane was a nose, a tail, and a big white spot in the middle. Oh crap! What's wrong? Start thinking. Camera says exposure is correct. Big spotlights, it must be confused. Tried Shutter Mode. Nope! Tried Aperture Mode. Nope! Took the settings given in Auto Mode and put them in Manual Mode, then started adjusting one mode at a time till something improved. Stayed on manual for the remainder of the two days. I actually got pretty good at pre-setting the camera so that I didn't need to chimp and spin as much.

I think many people get confused by the triangle. The triangle only means that there are three things necessary to make a correctly exposed photo: shutter speed, aperture, and ISO. It's not a good means of balancing the three items. That's why the three-leg stool on a hill side makes more sense, but it is not a great analogy either.

Another method I've used is comparing Light to Water. The bigger the pipe (Aperture) the shorter the time (Sutter Speed) is needed to fill the container (ISO).

If you got any other takes on the triangle, I'm all ears.

Still formulating that Focal Plane question in my mind.

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Sep 28, 2022 11:38:11   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
gvarner wrote:
I taught my daughters to drive with a stick shift. They had no problem transitioning to an automatic and they can easily drive both. My granddaughter learned how to drive with an automatic. She never got the hang of it when I tried to teach her how to drive a stick shift. I see a lesson here for those who want to teach a newbie.

Spend a brief period explaining the "exposure triangle" She can use Auto to see what the camera is thinking and that should push her along. Takes a bit longer in digital since mistakes are free and can often be fixed in post.

She can then spend the rest of her life learning composition and how to use an editor to fix mistakes and fine tune things.

"M" is not rocket science, it's basically simple. All the rest is closer to rocket science.

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Sep 28, 2022 11:50:41   #
User ID
 
EJMcD wrote:
If you stop posting maybe we'll see some. We've lost count of the ridiculous, repetitive, juvenile images that you post all the time. Acoarst you're probably going for page 20.

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Sep 28, 2022 17:01:12   #
EJMcD
 
Ahhh...there's one now!

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Sep 28, 2022 17:07:32   #
Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine
 
Start out newbies with a manual only camera,.....then it's sink or swim and learn,.......that's all us ol timers had back in the day.....lol

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Sep 28, 2022 17:34:11   #
EJMcD
 
Martys wrote:
Start out newbies with a manual only camera,.....then it's sink or swim and learn,.......that's all us ol timers had back in the day.....lol


Agreed! Unfortunately some younger folks can't see that this is the most sensible, common sense approach.

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Sep 28, 2022 18:27:54   #
BebuLamar
 
Martys wrote:
Start out newbies with a manual only camera,.....then it's sink or swim and learn,.......that's all us ol timers had back in the day.....lol


manual only camera is so easy to use one would never sink.

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Sep 28, 2022 20:37:31   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
Martys wrote:
Start out newbies with a manual only camera,.....then it's sink or swim and learn,.......that's all us ol timers had back in the day.....lol


I suspect there are many 'old timers' that forget the majority of the younger generation have grown up with modern technology, computer games through to cellphones and are more used to, and capable of, sorting out what needs to be 'operated' to get the result they want.

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Sep 28, 2022 22:25:17   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
While we are starting the youngsters off on manual only cameras lets insist that they learn their typing skills on an old Underwood manual. I suggest that the best method for teaching photography to the interested novice is to employ the approach that would appeal the most to to that novice. If we take the "my way or the highway approach" we will be told where we can put our cameras as the students we could have invited into our wonderful hobby and profession get tired of our narrowmindedness and will continue to use their phone cameras. There will always be people who will be photographers, but why not try to encourage as many as possible. For those of us interested in photography using cameras, wouldn't it be in our best interest to try to have as many folks involved in what we do as possible. This would mean more people buying photographic equipment and I think that this would be a good thing.

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Sep 28, 2022 22:32:12   #
Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine
 
I've always enjoyed , what I call,....the mechanics of photography,...the handling and manual setting of each piece of equipment I opt to use in any given situation,...the judgement calls available to me. the self reliance of manipulation of fine engineering and optical properties involved and applied and the appreciation derived while handling the camera, lens and such has always been a privilege, each time used it all still delivers that same endless feeling and opportunity to explore new outcomes.
I still continue to explore their options in an effort to make the best image I can as I continually grow,.....knowing the camera didn't tell me what to do.
For today's up and coming photographers who are so inclined if they care to,....the immediacy of digital processing allows a quick resolution and methodical approach to any hypothetical exposure questions they might care to explore,......allowing the equipment to teach them immediately,.....rather than how us old timers awaited many days for lab processing or even self processing to see and find out our errors,....only to once again repeat that hands on learning (mechanics) ourselves in the day.
Sorry to be so wordy................lol

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Sep 28, 2022 22:38:57   #
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Martys wrote:
Start out newbies with a manual only camera,.....then it's sink or swim and learn,.......that's all us ol timers had back in the day.....lol


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Sep 28, 2022 22:41:15   #
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EJMcD wrote:
Agreed! Unfortunately some younger folks can't see that this is the most sensible, common sense approach.


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