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Aug 27, 2022 14:49:25   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
bsprague wrote:
Set the RX100 to auto. Carry it in your hand with a finger on the shutter button and walk normally through villages and towns. The camera will be upside down and you have to twist your wrist a little to get it close enough to level. Point and shoot at anything remotely interesting. Between the wide angle and low view, you'll get some worthy images.


Good advice. The camera is smaller than my cell phone (length and width) but thicker. And I can put it in my pocket when I want to.

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Aug 27, 2022 15:07:36   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
bsprague wrote:
Set the RX100 to auto. Carry it in your hand with a finger on the shutter button and walk normally through villages and towns. The camera will be upside down and you have to twist your wrist a little to get it close enough to level. Point and shoot at anything remotely interesting. Between the wide angle and low view, you'll get some worthy images.


Not my "normal" style but I'll give it a try! Thanks!

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Aug 27, 2022 15:49:07   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
SteveG wrote:
Not my "normal" style but I'll give it a try! Thanks!


It is not my "normal" either. Depending on the circumstances, it may not be ethical either! Some people don't want their pictures taken.

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Aug 27, 2022 22:23:12   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
I own the RX100v and I use ON1. I would take your RX100. I have no problem printing 16x20s. Portability and excellent image quality trumps the Full Frame when traveling on vacation.

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Aug 27, 2022 22:40:47   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
ORpilot wrote:
I own the RX100v and I use ON1. I would take your RX100. I have no problem printing 16x20s. Portability and excellent image quality trumps the Full Frame when traveling on vacation.


Seems to definitely be the consensus! The rx100vii!!

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Aug 27, 2022 22:42:18   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
bsprague wrote:
It is not my "normal" either. Depending on the circumstances, it may not be ethical either! Some people don't want their pictures taken.


Hopefully coming back from Portugal I won't have any problems with that. As long as I don't post any of them online!

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Aug 27, 2022 22:44:26   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
imagemeister wrote:
Unless you are SELLING big prints or working for NatGeo, I would take the RX and have FUN. - and yes, I do have a RX10 - I know the 100 is a little different.
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A little different yes, but the same age quality I would think being the same sensor?

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Aug 27, 2022 23:27:25   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
SteveG wrote:
A little different yes, but the same age quality I would think being the same sensor?


AFAIK, the LENS being the big difference....

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Aug 27, 2022 23:54:14   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
imagemeister wrote:
AFAIK, the LENS being the big difference....


Absolutely!

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Aug 28, 2022 00:16:11   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
imagemeister wrote:
AFAIK, the LENS being the big difference....


YES. This is the big difference. And I think they use the same sensor. The specs on the sensor are the same. But I can't find it stated anywhere that they are actually the same sensor, but both are 20MP BSI - CMOS sensors. 8.8mm x 13.2mm sensor size.

The lenses:
RX10iv: 24-600mm (F2.4-4.0) lens
RX100vii: 24-200mm (F2.8-4.5) lens

Both cameras were designed for a different intended purpose.
The RX100 was identified as a large sensor compact.
The RX10 identified as a large sensor superzoom.

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Aug 28, 2022 01:37:37   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Last week’s visit to Coney Island for some “street shots”. Too hot to have lugged my “real” gear on the subway so grabbed my RX 100v vii

I can print these pretty much as large as I want to. It’s a terrific performer. Coaster shots were from a 20 fps burst, by the way.

https://photosbyrick.smugmug.com/Coney-Island-August-2022/n-Dvg93B


Just to be clear, I wasn’t necessarily saying to favor the RX100m7 over the dslr for your Portugal trip. I was simply pointing out that the Sony RX100m7 is an extraordinary piece of gear in an extremely compact size that can produce files easily printable at sizes 16x20 and larger if your technique is good. Yes the lens and the sensor are that good.

But if I were taking a major trip, I would still travel with my Nikon D850 with selected lenses AND the little Sony for times when the “real” gear is inconvenient or too obtrusive. My Nikon might not be with me 24/7, but the Sony never leaves my pocket.

The only negative I can offer about the Sony is that it cannot accept a hot shoe flash. The built in flash on the Sony isn’t bad as on board flashes go (you can even bounce the light up) and will allow for a bit of fill flash outdoors, but if you tend to shoot people while traveling, there is no substitute for a hot shoe flash. If you’re primarily a landscape shooter, it won’t matter as much to you.

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Aug 28, 2022 05:19:38   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Just to be clear, I wasn’t necessarily saying to favor the RX100m7 over the dslr for your Portugal trip. I was simply pointing out that the Sony RX100m7 is an extraordinary piece of gear in an extremely compact size that can produce files easily printable at sizes 16x20 and larger if your technique is good. Yes the lens and the sensor are that good.

But if I were taking a major trip, I would still travel with my Nikon D850 with selected lenses AND the little Sony for times when the “real” gear is inconvenient or too obtrusive. My Nikon might not be with me 24/7, but the Sony never leaves my pocket.

The only negative I can offer about the Sony is that it cannot accept a hot shoe flash. The built in flash on the Sony isn’t bad as on board flashes go (you can even bounce the light up) and will allow for a bit of fill flash outdoors, but if you tend to shoot people while traveling, there is no substitute for a hot shoe flash. If you’re primarily a landscape shooter, it won’t matter as much to you.
Just to be clear, I wasn’t necessarily saying to f... (show quote)


Everyone's advice has been really great, thanks so much! I think when it comes down to it, I agree with you. A once in a lifetime trip like this without my #1 piece of equipment, well, I just think that I would regret it in certain situations for sure. The A7rII is pretty small as a body and if I pick up the 24-105 or even if I just bring what I have, 28-60mm/16-35mm, and use the rx100vii for anything that requires some reach, I should be covered without breaking my back.

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Aug 28, 2022 05:37:16   #
Red6
 
SteveG wrote:
We're planning a trip to Portugal next year and I'm debating whether to take my full frame or my compact. What would you take with you? If it is the full frame, then is their one lens you would take with you? (I have a 28-60mm, 16-35mm). Or, is the Sony rx100vii sufficient for a trip to Europe? Looking forward to hearing your opinions!


For travel, I switched to a Sony RX100 viii and have never regretted it. Great camera, easy to use and carry. I usually carry a small backpack or shoulder bag for sunglasses, iPhone and other essentials and the Sony fits right in. You hardly know it is there. And it takes great images.

I used to carry my Nikon kit and lenses and later my Sony A6400 kit but that was just too much stuff to handle onto and off of buses, taxis etc. The RX100 slips into a pocket or bag and is quickly pulled out when needed.

Also another consideration. I purchased my Sony RX100 viii used at a reasonable price, so if it does get stolen or lost, it is not a huge loss like my other kits would be.

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Aug 28, 2022 05:47:43   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Red6 wrote:
For travel, I switched to a Sony RX100 viii and have never regretted it. Great camera, easy to use and carry. I usually carry a small backpack or shoulder bag for sunglasses, iPhone and other essentials and the Sony fits right in. You hardly know it is there. And it takes great images.

I used to carry my Nikon kit and lenses and later my Sony A6400 kit but that was just too much stuff to handle onto and off of buses, taxis etc. The RX100 slips into a pocket or bag and is quickly pulled out when needed.

Also another consideration. I purchased my Sony RX100 viii used at a reasonable price, so if it does get stolen or lost, it is not a huge loss like my other kits would be.
For travel, I switched to a Sony RX100 viii and ha... (show quote)


Was your Nikon a full frame or cropped sensor? You find the TX sufficient, even for that "Once In A Lifetime" trip?

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Aug 28, 2022 06:58:08   #
Red6
 
SteveG wrote:
Was your Nikon a full frame or cropped sensor? You find the TX sufficient, even for that "Once In A Lifetime" trip?


Like my Sony a6400, the Nikon was a cropped sensor, a D7100. But my decision to move primarily to the Sony RX100 was not purely convenience. A year or so ago I took a hard look at my photography and what I expected out of it. After many years of taking photos all over the world, taking classes, reading, studying, and going through a lot of different equipment I was still dissatisfied with my images and came to the honest conclusion that most of my photos were just "snapshots" and were taken for my memories of the journey. I was never going to take that once-in-a-lifetime "National Geographic" shot.

So, I decided to downsize and simplify. I have gotten rid of much of my equipment. I still have the a6400 and a telephoto lens that I like to shoot moon images with, but mostly I shoot the RX100 and a GoPro Hero 10. Of course, there are challenges and trade-offs but mostly I am happy with the results. I capture a lot of memories and I can carry all of this in a couple of pockets or small bag. Today, being retired with a limited budget, I consider all my trips to be "once in a lifetime". But, I am pretty sure the snapshots I take with my RX100 and the GoPro are just as memorable as the ones I would have taken with a heavier, more expensive, more capable camera kit.

But I am not there yet. I recently bought my wife an iPhone 13 Pro Max and its camera is nothing short of amazing. Her images and videos often surpass those of the RX100 and the GoPro and have me wondering if that should be my next piece of equipment. With that I would condense my kit down to that one piece - replacing the phone I carry now along with the RX100 and the GoPro. Or keep one of those as a backup to the iPhone.

Cell phone photography with these new phones has reached new levels and is now widely accepted. One finds many published photos and images taken with cell phones. Some really professional quality images have been taken with cell phones. While they have limitations (as do all cameras) the quality of their images are reaching new heights. Computational photography is really taking off in these new phones whether they are Google, Apple, or Samsung.

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