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Aug 22, 2022 17:02:26   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
Fkaufman3 wrote:
I currently shoot portraits, fashion and sports, have z6 ii and d810, would I gain much by adding d850 since it’s on sale again. I’m feeling GAS attack, also 75 years old


I have a D850, a Z6, a Z7, and a Z9. The D850 is easily better than the Z6 & Z7. Except in extreme low light and resolution the Z6 & Z7 are essentially the same camera. A very good prosumer camera. I get extremely good results with both, especially the Z7.

The D850 is a better camera than either of them in terms of its output image. The Z9 output isn’t that much better than the D850’s - it just is much faster at getting it done. It’s also easier to configure as you want it - more buttons and a UI designed for some who knows what their doing IMHO. It’s also more unforgiving too.

I’d get the D850 it’s a really good camera.

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Aug 22, 2022 18:29:41   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Retired CPO wrote:
The difference between 36 MP and 45 MP IS significant when making deep crops on birds or other small subjects- read Dragonflys and the like. I have never thought or said wow, I wish I hadn't bought this D850. It was such a poor choice for me to have made!


Actually, don't underestimate the ability to crop with 36 megapixels. Download the landscape and then zoom in and explore the picture. Can you find the blue tractor below the trees toward the left upper picture? Can you see the detail in the sheep? There is plenty of detail for cropping. Also look at the picture of the people walking and the modest crop. You can easily read the printing on the bags. These pictures were taken at Birdoswald's Roman Fort at Hadrian's wall in Northern England. They were taken with a 50mm f/1.4 AF-D prime on a D810. I've posted these pictures before, but I want to do it again to make a point. I don't think that the advantage with 45 megapixels is as great as you think. I've owned and used both cameras. The OP should be looking beyond the obsolete D850 to mirrorless and get the 45 megapixels anyway. I don't have a problem with more pixels, but expectations should be realistic.


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Aug 22, 2022 19:44:55   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
therwol wrote:
Don't waste your money.

The IQ of the D810 was astonishing when it came out, and it can still go head to head with any newer full frame camera. The difference in IQ and detail between 36 megapixels (D810) and 45 megapixels (D850) is not as great as the numbers would suggest. I say that from personal experience. For a brief time, I had both cameras in my house (before I gave the D810 to my son in-law). With my best lenses, taking the same photos at the same settings, I could see just a bit more detail in the pictures taken with the D850, but only pixel peeping. In the real world of looking at pictures on a computer screen or making reasonably large enlargements, there is no difference. So for portraits and fashion, forget it.

As for upgrading to the D850 for sports, it's a maybe. It's a faster camera, faster autofocus, better focus tracking etc. It has a marginally faster frame rate than the D810 but significantly faster (9 fps) if you use the battery grip. Think of a beast of a camera with a beast of a full frame lens on a monopod on the sidelines and you have what you need for sports with this camera. I think you'd be better off using the Z6ii, taking advantage of the additional "reach" you get with full frame lenses.

The only sensible upgrade to the D810 would be a full frame mirrorless camera. The only compelling reason for not going that route would be if you own many older autofocus lenses that require a motor in the body for focusing and don't want to replace them over the cost issue. The FTZ adaptor would not provide that.
Don't waste your money. br br The IQ of the D810 ... (show quote)


There is no “reach advantage” to the Z6II. It is a full frame camera.

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Aug 22, 2022 19:47:28   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
There is no “reach advantage” to the Z6II. It is a full frame camera.


My mistake. I should have remembered that because I've pointed out in the past that it has the same sensor as the D780.

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Aug 22, 2022 19:58:38   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
smf85 wrote:
I have a D850, a Z6, a Z7, and a Z9. The D850 is easily better than the Z6 & Z7. Except in extreme low light and resolution the Z6 & Z7 are essentially the same camera. A very good prosumer camera. I get extremely good results with both, especially the Z7.

The D850 is a better camera than either of them in terms of its output image. The Z9 output isn’t that much better than the D850’s - it just is much faster at getting it done. It’s also easier to configure as you want it - more buttons and a UI designed for some who knows what their doing IMHO. It’s also more unforgiving too.

I’d get the D850 it’s a really good camera.
I have a D850, a Z6, a Z7, and a Z9. The D850 is e... (show quote)


#1 If you’re not getting as good IQ from the Z7 as the D850 the problem is you.
#2 Nobody suggested a Z6 or Z7, it was the Z7II, (the OP already has a Z6II). The Z7II is a serious upgrade from the Z7 and the OP has a pretty good idea what the performance will be like.

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Aug 22, 2022 20:12:55   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Fkaufman3 wrote:
I currently shoot portraits, fashion and sports, have z6 ii and d810, would I gain much by adding d850 since it’s on sale again. I’m feeling GAS attack, also 75 years old


I'm not sure "it's on sale" is the best reason for buying a new camera.

However, the best cure for gas is a new camera.

Since you have a Z6 and a D810, which do you reach for first? If it's the "D" body go with an upgrade in the "D" family ... the D850. If it's the "Z" body stay with that line Z7 ii.

Another consideration is your collection of lenses.

If none of this makes sense, forget about a new camera and go out and get yourseld a really good bottle of wine. It may help you forget about a new camera.

BTW - I have a D850 and a Z6 plus a few others. The D850 gets the most use. My go to in the Z line is a Zfc. It's fun, but not a replacement for its full frame cousins. Compared to the others ... it's cheap, but may be a cure for gas.

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Aug 22, 2022 23:16:15   #
b top gun
 
When I decided to move from a cropped sensor Nikon body (a D7100) to full frame, I was ready to pull the trigger on a D810 until I had a conversation with an old friend who at the time was my photography mentor; he suggested I invest in the newly released D850 instead of the D810; I have never regretted the choice, the D850 is my "main gun". I still have and use the D7100. Also have a D780 because I had a Z6 II for about ten days and liked nothing about it; sent it back to B&H and got the D780. My only "wish" is for Nikon to upgrade the video capability of the D850.

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Aug 23, 2022 01:29:10   #
baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
Fkaufman3 wrote:
I currently shoot portraits, fashion and sports, have z6 ii and d810, would I gain much by adding d850 since it’s on sale again. I’m feeling GAS attack, also 75 years old


At this point, you'd be best served by waiting until October to see what camera Nikon is putting out then. Until then, I'm sure you can continue to get by with your D810 and your Z6II.

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Aug 23, 2022 02:13:15   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
b top gun wrote:
My only "wish" is for Nikon to upgrade the video capability of the D850.


Impossible. The sensor in the D850 is only capable of contrast detection autofocus. You must use the sensor when the mirror is up to shoot video. Contrast detection focusing in most cameras is slow and hunts while you're shooting. The video, unless you're using fixed focus, is dismal. I have video to prove it. No firmware upgrade can fix a hardware issue.

The D850 was probably due for an upgrade a couple of years ago, and we might have seen one except for the pandemic/chip shortage/supply chain issue, forcing Nikon and others to trim down and focus on what they thought was most important to survive and move forward. For all of the camera manufacturers (except for Pentax), that meant focusing on mirrorless cameras.

I do think that an upgrade to the D850 would have sold well in the short run, but we'll never see it now.

The D780 that you bought has a "hybrid" sensor, the same one used in the Z6ii. It can use phase detection for autofocus, which accounts for its superior video performance. One drawback to shooting video with a DSLR is that you can't look through the viewfinder while shooting. This is not an issue with a mirrorless camera.

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Aug 23, 2022 02:17:43   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
baron_silverton wrote:
At this point, you'd be best served by waiting until October to see what camera Nikon is putting out then. Until then, I'm sure you can continue to get by with your D810 and your Z6II.


One can't know for sure when Nikon will come out with new models. They keep secrets well. I do think that they will replace the Z7 line with an improved camera that has some of the more advanced features of the Z9. That would be the one to buy, but when? We shall see. It won't be as cheap as a D850 on sale, but it will be a much better camera.

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Aug 23, 2022 02:20:03   #
baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
therwol wrote:
One can't know for sure when Nikon will come out with new models. They keep secrets well. I do think that they will replace the Z7 line with an improved camera that has some of the more advanced features of the Z9. That would be the one to buy, but when? We shall see. It won't be as cheap as a D850 on sale, but it will be a much better camera.


They will announce another camera this year. There is some speculation as to whether it will be a full frame of DX, but the odds are its a full frame - either way, waiting 2 months (or less) to find out is a good bet if you already have a perfectly good D810 and Z6II as the OP does - those will certainly suffice 2 more months.

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Aug 23, 2022 02:24:44   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
baron_silverton wrote:
They will announce another camera this year. There is some speculation as to whether it will be a full frame of DX, but the odds are its a full frame - either way, waiting 2 months (or less) to find out is a good bet if you already have a perfectly good D810 and Z6II as the OP does - those will certainly suffice 2 more months.


Agree. Make the decision then. See what they put on the table to choose from, plus the D850 will likely still be an option in 2 months if the OP wants to choose that option for whatever reason.

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Aug 23, 2022 02:25:53   #
baron_silverton Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
therwol wrote:
Agree. Make the decision then. See what they put on the table to choose from, plus the D850 will likely still be an option in 2 months if the OP wants to choose that option for whatever reason.


Yes - agreed :)

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Aug 23, 2022 09:24:45   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
therwol wrote:
Actually, don't underestimate the ability to crop with 36 megapixels. Download the landscape and then zoom in and explore the picture. Can you find the blue tractor below the trees toward the left upper picture? Can you see the detail in the sheep? There is plenty of detail for cropping. Also look at the picture of the people walking and the modest crop. You can easily read the printing on the bags. These pictures were taken at Birdoswald's Roman Fort at Hadrian's wall in Northern England. They were taken with a 50mm f/1.4 AF-D prime on a D810. I've posted these pictures before, but I want to do it again to make a point. I don't think that the advantage with 45 megapixels is as great as you think. I've owned and used both cameras. The OP should be looking beyond the obsolete D850 to mirrorless and get the 45 megapixels anyway. I don't have a problem with more pixels, but expectations should be realistic.
Actually, don't underestimate the ability to crop ... (show quote)


In all these discussions about megapixel counts, you have no idea how many times I have thought about your two photos of Hadrain's wall. I'm very glad to see it again. It is a good example for promoting high megapixel count.

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Aug 23, 2022 14:04:03   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
lmTrying wrote:
In all these discussions about megapixel counts, you have no idea how many times I have thought about your two photos of Hadrain's wall. I'm very glad to see it again. It is a good example for promoting high megapixel count.


When I bought the D810 in 2015 and took it to England to test drive it, I was amazed by the results I obtained. But here is something I should mention. Sharpness and overall IQ is heavily dependent on the lens or lenses you use. The 50mm f/1.4 lens I used in these pictures is nothing special at wide apertures, but from f/5.6 and beyond, it just screams sharpness. That's also what you're seeing here.

Feel free to download the pictures if you want to look at them in the future. Did you find the tractor?

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