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Aug 21, 2022 08:10:12   #
DJCard Loc: Northern Kentucky
 
jaymatt wrote:
I use both DSLR and Mirrorless, and I think not. My transitions from one to another are seamless, and I see no difference when it comes to processing.


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Aug 21, 2022 09:00:06   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Why did I read this???

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Aug 21, 2022 09:00:53   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
olemikey wrote:
Why did I read this???

Curiosity.....

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Aug 21, 2022 09:19:17   #
ELNikkor
 
Still have my film cameras and darkroom, D750 is my "high-tech" digital. Do ANY mirrorless have a built-in flash??

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Aug 21, 2022 09:26:53   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Longshadow wrote:
Curiosity.....


LOL....I knew what I was going to see, I imagine you did as well!! Did appreciate Mr. Burk's input.....

I have both DSLR and MILC, appreciate both. DSLR will be around for a long time simply due to fans, numbers and longevity, but MILC is the future (immediate future, till the next big change), as the manufacturers will drive that. I will be concentrating on whittling down my (too many pieces for my real needs) collection with some emphasis on whatever interchangeability I can manage, and nostalgia. I have no real driving photographic needs (to deliver a satisfying product) other than personal joy, happiness and a sense of accomplishment, and my equipment wants can be satisfied should I feel like via - buy/sell/trade/give away.

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Aug 21, 2022 09:32:21   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
The word "mirrorless" camera is not the only change in the cameras, it's the name given to the new generation of cameras. The cameras have other improvements in quality of photography. Mirrorless is the most obvious.

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Aug 21, 2022 09:34:12   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
cdayton wrote:
I’ve never seen discussion of this issue so I thought it was worth raising. When I compose a scene with my D610, for example, I am looking directly at the scene albeit reflected off a mirror and reoriented by a pentaprism. When I compose a scene with my Sony a6000, for example, i am looking at a processed image of the scene. Yet, there seems to be a great rush to mirrorless with people selling D850s to get some latest, greatest mirrorless almost-equivalent. I understand the advantage of lightness, higher frame rates, etc. but are we losing something of the art of photography?
I’ve never seen discussion of this issue so I thou... (show quote)


I have been mirrorless for 14 years - thanks to M4/3. One real advantage is a 100% frame, which you do not get with a dim DSLR viewfinder, and I haven't even gone down the live view advantages yet!
It's time to wake up as to why the manufacturers are all moving to mirrorless! I'm sure they do know best - if not, there's a job waiting for you.

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Aug 21, 2022 09:44:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Delderby wrote:
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It's time to wake up as to why the manufacturers are all moving to mirrorless! I'm sure they do know best - ...

Nothing to do with not having to implement the mechanics ($) of a mirror?

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Aug 21, 2022 09:55:15   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
dbrugger25 wrote:
I have a Canon 5DMk4 and a collection of EF lenses. It was a massive step-up from the 12 year old Olympus E-5 with 12.3 mp. Since then I have acquired an Canon R5. It is a huge step-up from the 5DMk4. I like the tack-sharp focus, the high resolution, the lighter telephoto lenses and the low light focusing. The eye focus feature is revolutionary. I will keep the 5dMk4 and still love it, but the R5 is superior in a lot of ways.


I too have both the Canon 5DIV with ES lenses and the R5 with RF lenses, and I concur with your assessment.
I have seen great improvement over the years from my Nikon/Canon P&S cameras as with my Canon 7D, 6D, and 5DIV.
For me the ability of the R5 to focus and track an eye (or specifically an animal, or vehicle) is Amazing! Plus many other improvements.

Many years ago I remember when the "All New Nikon N404 SLR" came out and I purchased a 35-135mm autofocus lens with it.
I just knew that was going to be my "Forever" photography kit. . . . . And it still makes me . . .
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

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Aug 21, 2022 10:06:33   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Loved my D3S and D800E, and happily used them for years. They are both fine cameras and helped me to take images I was satisfied with. But after testing the waters with Nikon mirrorless, there's no going back for me. Seeing the exposure prior to taking the shot was worth the price of admission for me....never mind all the other advantages.

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Aug 21, 2022 10:36:06   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
wingclui44 wrote:
Thank you! I am not interested in politic but I am an old timer and happy what I have. I will never buy a mirrorless camera except it's a Leica. I will when my mind is made up!


I may someday buy an MILC. Agreed that they are state of the art today. However I am in the process of acquiring older DSLRS and lenses in like new condition that were also state of the art at one time but now sell at rock bottom prices. And they perform as well as when brand new. After shooting digital for eighteen years at 68 yrs old and still working full time I prefer attaining a comfort level that is easy to come by and to enjoy what I am doing.

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Aug 21, 2022 10:43:42   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
ELNikkor wrote:
Still have my film cameras and darkroom, D750 is my "high-tech" digital. Do ANY mirrorless have a built-in flash??


Of course they do. My Panasonic G series M4/3 did and do. (But I still use a Meike dedicated flash).

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Aug 21, 2022 10:50:43   #
RKL349 Loc: Connecticut
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
No.

Did you lose something when AutoFocus replaced manual focus?
Did you lose something when digital replaced film?
Did you lose something when aperture priority replaced shutter priority?
Did you lose something when lenses were enabled with stabilization?


Excellent points!

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Aug 21, 2022 11:50:09   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
yssirk123 wrote:
Loved my D3S and D800E, and happily used them for years. They are both fine cameras and helped me to take images I was satisfied with. But after testing the waters with Nikon mirrorless, there's no going back for me. Seeing the exposure prior to taking the shot was worth the price of admission for me....never mind all the other advantages.



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Aug 21, 2022 12:19:15   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
cdayton wrote:
I’ve never seen discussion of this issue so I thought it was worth raising. When I compose a scene with my D610, for example, I am looking directly at the scene albeit reflected off a mirror and reoriented by a pentaprism. When I compose a scene with my Sony a6000, for example, i am looking at a processed image of the scene. Yet, there seems to be a great rush to mirrorless with people selling D850s to get some latest, greatest mirrorless almost-equivalent. I understand the advantage of lightness, higher frame rates, etc. but are we losing something of the art of photography?
I’ve never seen discussion of this issue so I thou... (show quote)


I think this was covered before in the many "DSLR vs. Mirrorless" debate threads. Yes, a DSLR or SLR will give you essentially a real time speed of light preview of the image, whereas the EVF image of course is a tiny monitor inside the camera of what the sensor sees**. A mirrorless camera is basically a video cam. You are basically a videographer if you are taking stills with a mirrorless - you're just picking out the frames. There are certain pros vs the few cons of mirrorless....one is exposure preview - that is something impossible to do with a DSLR. The tiny bit of lag/blackout is inconsequential in the vast number of use cases, and some recent models (like the Z9 or high end Sony's) have brought that down to practically nil. With a DSLR low light can be challenging, but with mirrorless that is a piece of cake, plus you are getting an accurate exposure preview. The art of photography is not lost, the photographer just has to make a small mental adjustment to the new tool. As time goes on the petty differences between DSLR and mirrorless will become less and less of an issue for discussion as technology improves. We are witnessing the end of the DSLR era and approaching the golden age of mirrorless.

** What I would really like to see is instead of a tiny peephole on mirrorless cameras is a somewhat larger EVF or viewscreen on the back of the camera with a small light hood. There is no need in this day and age for photographers to look through tiny peepholes! Eye relief should be a major priority. Think the waist level viewscreen on the old Hassy's only on the back of the camera. Of course the LCD screen could be used with a hood attachment, but higher resolution would be needed.

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