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Aug 17, 2022 07:40:57   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
"At this point, no straw — no lead pipe, even — could break the camel’s back. Republicans have demonstrated that Donald Trump could commit any t***sgression or crime and they would still defend it.
Put another way: Trump conducted his Fifth Avenue test, and Republicans have failed.

Once upon a time, I (naively) believed that many Republican politicians might someday dump Trump. For two key reasons: A) They seemed to find him revolting; and B) he was a major political liability. Instead, as time wore on, their tolerance for both moral revulsion and political liability grew.

Boasting about grabbing non-consenting women by their g*****ls? At first a little iffy, then excused as harmless locker-room talk. Much the same with his embrace of neo-N**is after Charlottesville and of his instructions to the right-wing extremist P***d B**s to “stand by.” Also overlooked? His affair with a porn star, hush-money payments to silence said porn star and a subsequent apparent campaign finance violation.

Government-sponsored child abuse — of thousands of asylum-seeking kids abruptly separated from their parents — became acceptable to the “family values” party too.

Catherine Rampell: Families like this one were torn apart at the border. The U.S. still hasn’t made things right.
Using the power of the state to punish private companies that disagreed with him? Wh**ever; forget all those “free market” commitments. Extorting a crucial foreign ally, or governors overseeing a crisis, for personal political gain? Meh. Same with the piles of money given to Trump by corporate lobbyists and foreign governments through his private businesses while he occupied the White House.

And of course: Even encouraging a c**p attempt, during which Trump apparently endorsed his followers’ threats to execute other Republicans, was somehow within bounds.

So perhaps it should not be surprising that when Trump was found last week to have absconded with classified documents, erstwhile national security hawks still rushed to defend him. Republicans who once claimed to “back the blue” now smear federal law enforcement and fundraise off calls to “DEFUND THE FBI.”

And when Trump was implicated in possible violations of the Espionage Act, at least one GOP official responded by recommending repeal of the Espionage Act. It’s a new spin on an old Nixonian saw: When the president does it, it’s not illegal — or at least it won’t be for much longer.

It can be hard to understand why Republican politicians would so profoundly, repeatedly, abase themselves before Trump, particularly when he never returns the favor. Perhaps they’re just in awe of his political intuition. It must have taken a lot of foresight, after all, for Trump to declassify documents that the FBI would later plant at his house!
Or perhaps they admire his work ethic, compelled as he was to “bring home [his] work” and hang on to it long after it ceased to be his work. That’s just the kind of industrious man Trump is.

Max Boot: Republicans went crazy over the Trump search. Now they look i***tic.
In t***h, the problem is this: There are political consequences for not standing by Trump, as Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) and most of the other House Republicans who v**ed to impeach him post-c**p have learned. But there are zero consequences for supporting him. That is true no matter how vile, corrupt or outright unlawful his actions turn out to be — and no matter how much his increasingly horrific conduct conflicts with the values those other politicians claim to espouse.

Republican officials are now casting about for some excuse that might exonerate Trump before they even know the extent of what he may have done. Perhaps, they now argue, the documents seized in a lawful search of Mar-a-Lago aren’t that big of a deal and shouldn’t have been marked classified at all. “These are materials that are 2 years old,” Rep. Michael R. Turner (R-Ohio) said Sunday on CNN, adding: “I’d be very surprised if he has actual documents that rise to the level of an immediate national security threat.”

If he and his Republican colleagues genuinely believe the classified documents Trump squirreled away are no biggie, they could prove it by pledging to read their contents into the congressional record. If these lawmakers don’t think this is a wise idea, and worry that making such documents public might jeopardize national security, then perhaps they should object to those documents being stored at Trump’s not-exactly-locked-down beach house, too.
On the other hand, perhaps it’s best not to call their bluff. Republicans might well be willing to publicize U.S. nuclear secrets if they believed doing so would get their leader out of a jam.

Trump will always choose himself over his country’s interests; and because his Republican toadies cannot help but stick by him, that means they will always preference his interests over America’s, too."

Catherine Rampell

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Aug 17, 2022 08:02:59   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
No mention of the fact that his cultish Christian Nationalist followers view him as a Christ-given and Christ-like savior in spite of his lack of any religious or spiritual (or even humanist) qualities whatsoever.

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Aug 17, 2022 08:03:25   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
It's not so much about Trump as it is getting the Democrats out of control. Just for the sake of the Country.
It is amusing to watch how Trump consumes the libs though.

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Aug 17, 2022 08:11:23   #
ScottWardwell Loc: Maine
 
tradio wrote:
It's not so much about Trump as it is getting the Democrats out of control. Just for the sake of the Country.
It is amusing to watch how Trump consumes the libs though.


Did you hear that 9v and dirtpusher are finalists for the Best Regurgitative Fiction Story-Mongers for their slavish devotion to anything Anti-Trump?
Yes, another low-water mark for Journalism.

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Aug 17, 2022 08:12:52   #
Triple G
 
tradio wrote:
It's not so much about Trump as it is getting the Democrats out of control. Just for the sake of the Country.
It is amusing to watch how Trump consumes the libs though.


Clinton, Obama and Biden administrations have been much better for Americans than Bush and Trump. With the passage of the PACT and the Inflation Reduction Act, the future is much brighter. It’s so good not to be putting up with trump and the do nothing MCConnell years.

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Aug 17, 2022 08:18:20   #
ScottWardwell Loc: Maine
 
Triple G wrote:
Clinton, Obama and Biden administrations have been much better for Americans than Bush and Trump. With the passage of the PACT and the Inflation Reduction Act, the future is much brighter. It’s so good not to be putting up with trump and the do nothing MCConnell years.


The Inflation Reduction Act will fall right on your shoulders. Besides why do we need an Inflation Reduction Act when Biden has said there is no inflation?

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Aug 17, 2022 08:24:06   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
tradio wrote:
It's not so much about Trump as it is getting the Democrats out of control. Just for the sake of the Country.
It is amusing to watch how Trump consumes the libs though.


Getting democrats out of control is the most important point .

But !

Why can not people realize that trump is the very reason democrats have control of the house, the senate. And the presidency.

Continued trump support will only assure another democratic president and at this stage likely another democratic controlled senate.

Time for real conservatives republicans to face that fact.

The minds that trump really controls is his adoring cult followers

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Aug 17, 2022 08:39:24   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
DennyT wrote:
Getting democrats out of control is the most important point .

But !

Why can not people realize that trump is the very reason democrats have control of the house, the senate. And the presidency.

Continued trump support will only assure another democratic president and at this stage likely another democratic controlled senate.

Tine for real conservatives republicans to face that fact.

The minds that trump really controls is his adoring cult followers


Trump will further destroy the Republican Party, and the country—if they let him. They would do better to back a sane candidate, who believes sin the rule of law. The Republican leaders are apparently spineless in fear of losing their jobs. Party over country will destroy the Republic.

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Aug 17, 2022 08:53:06   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Trump will further destroy the Republican Party, and the country—if they let him. They would do better to back a sane candidate, who believes sin the rule of law. The Republican leaders are apparently spineless in fear of losing their jobs. Party over country will destroy the Republic.


At this point, there isn't, republicans don't care!

They would rather install a dictator and become an autocratic controlled society.

They complain about their "liberties" now.....

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Aug 17, 2022 09:16:13   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
tradio wrote:
It's not so much about Trump as it is getting the Democrats out of control. Just for the sake of the Country.
It is amusing to watch how Trump consumes the libs though.


especially 9volt!!

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Aug 17, 2022 09:28:56   #
Triple G
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Trump will further destroy the Republican Party, and the country—if they let him. They would do better to back a sane candidate, who believes sin the rule of law. The Republican leaders are apparently spineless in fear of losing their jobs. Party over country will destroy the Republic.


Hogan, Hutchinson, Bashear, and their steady-Freddie styles would be welcomed. Ingram is right; Trump, DeSantis, Cruz are too bombastic. Americans are exhausted from that style.

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Aug 17, 2022 10:18:00   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
DennyT wrote:
Getting democrats out of control is the most important point .

But !

Why can not people realize that trump is the very reason democrats have control of the house, the senate. And the presidency.

Continued trump support will only assure another democratic president and at this stage likely another democratic controlled senate.

Time for real conservatives republicans to face that fact.

The minds that trump really controls is his adoring cult followers


What was the reason the Republicans took control over Congress during Obama's terms? Same as with Clinton and G Bush with Democrats and other Presidents??

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Aug 17, 2022 12:20:55   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"At this point, no straw — no lead pipe, even — could break the camel’s back. Republicans have demonstrated that Donald Trump could commit any t***sgression or crime and they would still defend it.
Put another way: Trump conducted his Fifth Avenue test, and Republicans have failed.

Once upon a time, I (naively) believed that many Republican politicians might someday dump Trump. For two key reasons: A) They seemed to find him revolting; and B) he was a major political liability. Instead, as time wore on, their tolerance for both moral revulsion and political liability grew.

Boasting about grabbing non-consenting women by their g*****ls? At first a little iffy, then excused as harmless locker-room talk. Much the same with his embrace of neo-N**is after Charlottesville and of his instructions to the right-wing extremist P***d B**s to “stand by.” Also overlooked? His affair with a porn star, hush-money payments to silence said porn star and a subsequent apparent campaign finance violation.

Government-sponsored child abuse — of thousands of asylum-seeking kids abruptly separated from their parents — became acceptable to the “family values” party too.

Catherine Rampell: Families like this one were torn apart at the border. The U.S. still hasn’t made things right.
Using the power of the state to punish private companies that disagreed with him? Wh**ever; forget all those “free market” commitments. Extorting a crucial foreign ally, or governors overseeing a crisis, for personal political gain? Meh. Same with the piles of money given to Trump by corporate lobbyists and foreign governments through his private businesses while he occupied the White House.

And of course: Even encouraging a c**p attempt, during which Trump apparently endorsed his followers’ threats to execute other Republicans, was somehow within bounds.

So perhaps it should not be surprising that when Trump was found last week to have absconded with classified documents, erstwhile national security hawks still rushed to defend him. Republicans who once claimed to “back the blue” now smear federal law enforcement and fundraise off calls to “DEFUND THE FBI.”

And when Trump was implicated in possible violations of the Espionage Act, at least one GOP official responded by recommending repeal of the Espionage Act. It’s a new spin on an old Nixonian saw: When the president does it, it’s not illegal — or at least it won’t be for much longer.

It can be hard to understand why Republican politicians would so profoundly, repeatedly, abase themselves before Trump, particularly when he never returns the favor. Perhaps they’re just in awe of his political intuition. It must have taken a lot of foresight, after all, for Trump to declassify documents that the FBI would later plant at his house!
Or perhaps they admire his work ethic, compelled as he was to “bring home [his] work” and hang on to it long after it ceased to be his work. That’s just the kind of industrious man Trump is.

Max Boot: Republicans went crazy over the Trump search. Now they look i***tic.
In t***h, the problem is this: There are political consequences for not standing by Trump, as Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) and most of the other House Republicans who v**ed to impeach him post-c**p have learned. But there are zero consequences for supporting him. That is true no matter how vile, corrupt or outright unlawful his actions turn out to be — and no matter how much his increasingly horrific conduct conflicts with the values those other politicians claim to espouse.

Republican officials are now casting about for some excuse that might exonerate Trump before they even know the extent of what he may have done. Perhaps, they now argue, the documents seized in a lawful search of Mar-a-Lago aren’t that big of a deal and shouldn’t have been marked classified at all. “These are materials that are 2 years old,” Rep. Michael R. Turner (R-Ohio) said Sunday on CNN, adding: “I’d be very surprised if he has actual documents that rise to the level of an immediate national security threat.”

If he and his Republican colleagues genuinely believe the classified documents Trump squirreled away are no biggie, they could prove it by pledging to read their contents into the congressional record. If these lawmakers don’t think this is a wise idea, and worry that making such documents public might jeopardize national security, then perhaps they should object to those documents being stored at Trump’s not-exactly-locked-down beach house, too.
On the other hand, perhaps it’s best not to call their bluff. Republicans might well be willing to publicize U.S. nuclear secrets if they believed doing so would get their leader out of a jam.

Trump will always choose himself over his country’s interests; and because his Republican toadies cannot help but stick by him, that means they will always preference his interests over America’s, too."

Catherine Rampell
"At this point, no straw — no lead pipe, even... (show quote)


As soon as Trump is convicted of ANYTHING, I will let you know if it causes my support to lag. Do I want him to run? No. If he does run though, unless the Democrats can put Jesus Christ on the their side of the b****t, Trump is getting my v**e.

Do you get tired of spamming us daily with these articles? Generally speaking, these slanted opinion pieces are garbage.

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Aug 17, 2022 14:24:21   #
SuneBonobo Loc: Maryland
 
sb wrote:
No mention of the fact that his cultish Christian Nationalist followers view him as a Christ-given and Christ-like savior in spite of his lack of any religious or spiritual (or even humanist) qualities whatsoever.


Source for your i***tic claim?

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Aug 17, 2022 17:33:45   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
I would rather see another Republican candidate than Trump in 2024 and if he has committed a crime that put our country's national security at risk I could not support him. I also can not think of any Democrat I'd support.

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