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Jul 24, 2022 19:29:39   #
gwilliams6
 
Ysarex wrote:
No he's not spreading falsehoods -- a little dated at best. You likely misunderstood or didn't read carefully.


As a career journalist I know and understand words, and he was incorrect in a few things he said, as others have also correctly pointed out .

If you dont think he made incorrect statements then you dont know the truth of the physics and science being discussed here.

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Jul 24, 2022 19:36:24   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
As a career journalist I know and understand words, and he was incorrect in a few things he said,

Be specific then. What did he say that's a falsehood? You're wrong.

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Jul 25, 2022 05:22:59   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
GeneinChi wrote:
I know this is a basic question but I don’t know the answer so please don’t respond like I’m an idiot. Keep the snark at the door. I’m pretty much a rookie regarding post processing having done some basic editing with JPEGS. If I want to teach myself more advanced techniques do I need to be shooting in raw or does a program like Luminar work with jpegs? I have two slots in my camera so I can shoot one in jpeg and one raw.


If you want to post process then I would strongly suggest raw vs Jpg. It's 14 bits vs 8, much more data work with. As for what tool, just find one and watch the videos on youtube. Sure save both as a safety net until you feel confident working with pure raw. You will be amazed at how much more data in a raw file, translates to fine output photo.

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Jul 25, 2022 06:15:53   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
If you listen to the propaganda of RAW you will feel like you are a pariah if you don't use it. I have friends with canon R5's that shoot JPEG because the file size is so large and cumbersome. If you are posting on Facebook or Instagram the files are dumbed down anyways. I shoot JPEGs because it is a waste of time. I don't want to spend so much time editing. Keep it simple stupid is my motto. JPEG works fine for me. Some JPEGs on Facebook--for me these are good enough.



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Jul 25, 2022 06:40:52   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
This is the place for great advice.
I once shot just JPG but soon heard about the advantages of RAW so started to shoot both. I couldn't quite match the sharpness when I adjusted RAW to match "in-camera" jpg sharpness (set to 4+ of 5) went back to jpgs. Then i blew out highlights on a once-in-a-lifetime shot, went back to learning to PP Raw. Now I just shoot RAW. Worth the effort!

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Jul 25, 2022 07:01:29   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
It's up to you. All editing programs work great on JPEGs. The from-camera JPEGs have all the same pixels as the RAW files. But, the details that describe each of those pixels have been compressed into an 8-bit format, down from typically 12-bit. The further you need to edit the image, especially in the modification to the color tones (making the image much brighter or radically adjusting the white balance), here you're more likely to encounter issues in 'how far' you can adjust before running into problems due to the less data (bit-depth) of the image file.

If you're just going to press <auto> in your editor on the RAW file and call it done, how different is that edit processing than using the camera JPEGs? That same <auto> as you might be doing to your JPEGs too.

When you become a RAW photographer, you become the decision maker for these considerations in post processing, where many had been decided by the camera for the JPEG:

1. Sharpening
2. Noise Reduction
3. Color Saturation
4. Exposure adjustments, general
5. Contrast, general
6. Highlights and shadows
7. White Balance
8. Lens corrections
9. Color space
10. Pixel resolution for target image share platforms
11. Disk storage (for the larger files)
12. Image file back-up strategy (for those larger files)

You don't have to understand all these issues, but when you do, you'll be much more successful as a RAW photographer.

Personally, I think shooting JPEG+RAW is a waste of time and space. You don't get better at shooting and editing either image format, while the two versions of every image creates both version control management issues and excessive storage needs. If you work only with one file type, you can get a lot better at being successful with that file type, understanding deeply the limits and the opportunities of that format.
It's up to you. All editing programs work great on... (show quote)

I agree and will just add, once I realized RAW was like having the negative in film and I could go back and export a jpg anytime I wanted, it made no sense to shoot in RAW+JPG. I’ve shot in RAW only for about 6 or 7 years and never looked back.

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Jul 25, 2022 07:02:53   #
micolh Loc: NYC
 
GeneinChi wrote:
I know this is a basic question but I don’t know the answer so please don’t respond like I’m an idiot. Keep the snark at the door. I’m pretty much a rookie regarding post processing having done some basic editing with JPEGS. If I want to teach myself more advanced techniques do I need to be shooting in raw or does a program like Luminar work with jpegs? I have two slots in my camera so I can shoot one in jpeg and one raw.


I think if you asked that same question on YouTube will find a wealth of information. The advantage as I see it is you be able to see the results.

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Jul 25, 2022 07:14:35   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Luminar Neo will handle edits on both RAW and jpg files.

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Jul 25, 2022 07:39:11   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
GeneinChi wrote:
I know this is a basic question but I don’t know the answer so please don’t respond like I’m an idiot. Keep the snark at the door. I’m pretty much a rookie regarding post processing having done some basic editing with JPEGS. If I want to teach myself more advanced techniques do I need to be shooting in raw or does a program like Luminar work with jpegs? I have two slots in my camera so I can shoot one in jpeg and one raw.


Most editing software will work with jpeg files, but they have less detail to work with so very likely your results will be inferior in that case. So shoot RAW. If for some reason you need a result immediately then you can shoot jpeg as well, but be aware that once you load the RAW file into a computer it is, with nearly any editing software, a quick and easy operation to create a jpeg version. I've always worried about the file-clutter produced with those duplicate copies.

Often, the free editing software from your camera's manufacturer will produce a jpeg file that is identical to what the camera would have produced.

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Jul 25, 2022 08:32:12   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mikeroetex wrote:
I agree and will just add, once I realized RAW was like having the negative in film and I could go back and export a jpg anytime I wanted, it made no sense to shoot in RAW+JPG. I’ve shot in RAW only for about 6 or 7 years and never looked back.


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Jul 25, 2022 08:45:08   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
The choice is entirely up to you. Certain techniques require RAW capture and processing. The results can be more satisfying. With jpg captures, it's similar to using a Polaroid camera. Your processing is limited but can still result in a very nice photograph.
--Bob
GeneinChi wrote:
I know this is a basic question but I don’t know the answer so please don’t respond like I’m an idiot. Keep the snark at the door. I’m pretty much a rookie regarding post processing having done some basic editing with JPEGS. If I want to teach myself more advanced techniques do I need to be shooting in raw or does a program like Luminar work with jpegs? I have two slots in my camera so I can shoot one in jpeg and one raw.

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Jul 25, 2022 08:50:18   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
GeneinChi wrote:
… If I want to teach myself more advanced techniques do I need to be shooting in raw or does a program like Luminar work with jpegs?

If you have spent even a little time on UHH you know that you don’t have a prayer for getting a definitive answer to your question. At least not one that will satisfy your curiosity.
I’m pretty sure that with a little effort you can find an offer for a free trial subscription for some post processing software that can process your raw and JPEG files. Do it when you know you’ll have sufficient time to experiment and learn if you can do what you want using JPEGs only, or if you like the results from raw files better.
Which brings us to the next question, which software to choose? But that will set off a whole new firestorm.

You say you’ve done some PP. Will your software recognize raw files from your camera? If so, start there, it’ll be the shortest learning curve.

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Jul 25, 2022 08:54:50   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Key operator: could be managed using other tools.

So much simpler to use the appropriate file type and editor, instead of making adjustments "in terms of ...", which WOULD require a lot of finesse in the editor used.

So you think jpg is not the "appropriate file type." Digital camera's get the white balance correct most of the time so white balance is a non-issue, and when it's not perfect, jpg editors allow adjustment w/o a problem. The issue was before editors had built in user friendly white balance tools, white balance could be adjusted in jpg's using other tools. Today the WB tools are available to all major jpg editors far as I know.

Raw files were not always available to anyone with a camera yet, color balance, color tone, exposure and so on could always be addressed with any jpg editor. That is one of there main purposes.

Today, full blown editors like Affinity Photo and ACDSee have white balance tools built into there jpg editors as well as the raw editors, it's the exact same tool. I have no clue if current PS has a white balance tool built in, but I know you could load a jpg image into the raw editor and use the tool there if you wanted.

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Jul 25, 2022 08:59:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BigDaddy wrote:
So you think jpg is not the "appropriate file type." Digital camera's get the white balance correct most of the time so white balance is a non-issue, and when it's not perfect, jpg editors allow adjustment w/o a problem. The issue was before editors had built in user friendly white balance tools, white balance could be adjusted in jpg's using other tools. Today the WB tools are available to all major jpg editors far as I know.

Raw files were not always available to anyone with a camera yet, color balance, color tone, exposure and so on could always be addressed with any jpg editor. That is one of there main purposes.

Today, full blown editors like Affinity Photo and ACDSee have white balance tools built into there jpg editors as well as the raw editors, it's the exact same tool. I have no clue if current PS has a white balance tool built in, but I know you could load a jpg image into the raw editor and use the tool there if you wanted.
So you think jpg is not the "appropriate file... (show quote)


Appropriate file type and editor, MATCH the two, not doing something in terms of another,
like furlongs per fortnight instead of MPH.
Since you're looking for crap to argue, we're done.

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Jul 25, 2022 09:02:53   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
I shoot JPEG only - as does Ken Rockwell. Especially at my age, I prefer to simplify my life and not go down the raw rabbit hole. What is in the raw rabbit hole ?? MORE memory, more/better hardware, more/better software, more time spent learning to optimize raw results and slower processing times. The whole digital imaging industry WANTS you to shoot raw because it makes more money that way ! !
Today, with large MP sensors and improved dynamic range sensors and softwares, the practical advantages of raw for traditional reality based imaging are miniscule. As already mentioned, there are MANY higher priority components of image making to be concerned with.
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