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Aug 2, 2022 10:50:43   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
selmslie wrote:
Then read it again. I wrote it specifically for your benefit.

I read your post once, and replied to the parts pertaining/interesting to me.

Read my reply to you. I wrote it specifically for your benefit.

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Aug 2, 2022 10:55:34   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
My suggestion to you is learn a lot more about all aspects of digital photography before pontificating to others about the benefits of RAW, or analyzing others photo's. You might want to start with what are blown out highlights and why is it RAW mode does nothing to fix it.

The flamingo is definitely soft, probably out of focus. Nothing to do with raw or JPEG.

An if you don’t know the difference between megapixels and megabytes you should not be pontificating about any aspect of digital photography.

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Aug 2, 2022 10:58:52   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
I read your post once, and replied to the parts pertaining/interesting to me.

Read my reply to you. I wrote it specifically for your benefit.

I asked if you understood. You said “probably not” so I skipped the rest.

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Aug 2, 2022 11:12:57   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
selmslie wrote:
The flamingo is definitely soft, probably out of focus. Nothing to do with raw or JPEG.

An if you don’t know the difference between megapixels and megabytes you should not be pontificating about any aspect of digital photography.

As previously explained, my Nikon D5200 and it's kit lenses has always provided soft focus. I know it has nothing to do with RAW, it wasn't me that brought the issue up.

As for MB vs MP I know the difference, do you? If not, I suggest you DAGS.

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Aug 2, 2022 12:49:28   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Not maybe, it was shot in raw, so you look stupid which is not surprising. The focus is superb for my Nikon D5200. It has always been the most difficult to focus camera/lenses I've owned.


Since you seem to be slow on the uptake, let me explain. I was not questioning whether that shot was originally in raw. I was saying that it didn’t matter if it was shot in raw because once it had been badly edited and exported as a JPEG the damage had already been done. As for calling that lack of focus “superb”, if you think that’s the case you have bigger issues. From your first post in this thread you’ve made it clear that quality isn’t important in your photography. As I’ve said all along, if it works for you, go for it. But you feel the need to keep insisting that we’re wasting our time shooting raw.

BigDaddy wrote:
I explained why I added to the canvas. You provided your cropped image with some sort of red garbage added to her head
https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2022/7/29/t1-665415-28_4da0_99a8_793e8c4e3d6f.jpg
The original photo was taken with a cell phone, and from a very compressed version of the original image because my daughter's text message compressed the original before sending it. You, being not very bright, chose to attempt to edit the file even though it was already compressed several times from I guess 12mb (it was < 1MB when I got it) to 209kb. Both pictures you chose look "good enough" to me until you got your grubby hands on them. Your cropping skills suck the big one. And your knowledge of file size/compression/editing seem extremely lacking as shown by your defective analysis and silly attempts to disparage the photo's you chose to cite.
I explained why I added to the canvas. You provid... (show quote)


Once again, you couldn’t grasp the simple concepts that I addressed. Yes I questioned your crop. I understand that you were trying to make it fit your TV screen so you added canvas. It just made for a very strange composition with her head crammed against one side and all that negative space on the other. Personally I prefer to let the image dictate the aspect ratio rather than aspect ratio dictate image. I would just do a decent crop and let the TV display black on either side. But if that’s what you want, fine. And I never said the crop had anything to do with color. What I said was that the red cast when I opened up the shadows was possibly color shift due to lack of dynamic range. As for those photos, without the EXIF data I could no nothing of the source or what kind of editing or compression had been done. I just picked two images that could be improved by some simple editing. I dunno, but if I had a photo of a granddaughter with her face half hidden in shadow I would want to open those shadows. Like I said, that was one minute of editing on a phone. If I had raw files on a computer. I could do a lot more in that minute.

BigDaddy wrote:
My suggestion to you is learn a lot more about all aspects of digital photography before pontificating to others about the benefits of RAW, or analyzing others photo's. You might want to start with what are blown out highlights and why is it RAW mode does nothing to fix it.


If you were paying attention you would have noticed that I said if they were truly blown raw wouldn’t help but if there was any detail to be found that raw would be much better. And there’s no comparison to how much more detail you can recover from the shadows. Let’s not get into who has a better understanding of digital photography. You are the one that keeps going on about the little bit of data lost in compression being not a big deal between JPEG and raw and you can’t grasp the concept that the compression isn’t the issue. It’s that going from a 14 bit raw file to an 8 bit JPEG you’re throwing away over 90% of the captured data.

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Aug 2, 2022 13:26:17   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
As previously explained, my Nikon D5200 and it's kit lenses has always provided soft focus. I know it has nothing to do with RAW, it wasn't me that brought the issue up.

As for MB vs MP I know the difference, do you? If not, I suggest you DAGS.

So the bottom line is that you don’t mind posting an image here that the rest of us would be ashamed to show.

Stick to iPhone photos. They are much better than anything you can get from your camera. You’ll be happy to learn that it has a raw mode.

And no, you don’t know the difference between mb and MP.

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Aug 2, 2022 16:31:17   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
iPhone JPEG image - 12MP, 8.4 megabytes. Compression and fewer details can result in fewer mb.

You can reduce the MP by cropping or resizing and the mb by increasing the compression.

Download it and compare the sharpness to your flamingo.


(Download)

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Aug 2, 2022 22:26:55   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
As previously explained, my Nikon D5200 and it's kit lenses has always provided soft focus. I know it has nothing to do with RAW, it wasn't me that brought the issue up.

As for MB vs MP I know the difference, do you? If not, I suggest you DAGS.


If that’s the best you could do with that camera either it was defective or just didn’t know how to use it. I personally wouldn’t have found it acceptable. I’ve seen plenty of shots from a D5200 with a kit lens that are just fine. Just in case you aren’t sure, here’s a photo I took of a flamingo so you’ll know what they look like in focus. And just in case you want to start going on about being degraded through compression, I didn’t feel like going up to my computer for the original so this is a 496 kb version I pulled from Facebook on my phone.


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Aug 3, 2022 10:13:52   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
selmslie wrote:
iPhone JPEG image - 12MP, 8.4 megabytes. Compression and fewer details can result in fewer mb.

You can reduce the MP by cropping or resizing and the mb by increasing the compression.

Download it and compare the sharpness to your flamingo.

No need, but at least now I know why you only cull 5% of your photo's.

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Aug 3, 2022 10:33:31   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
No need, but at least now I know why you only cull 5% of your photo's.

Yes, it’s because I don’t click the shutter unless I am confident of a technically proper image. But being technically proper doesn’t mean that everyone is going to like it.

One of only two images I took a couple of days ago: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-747123-1.html Both were acceptable but the one I posted was more interesting, but maybe not to everyone.

In this case there was no JPEG SOOC because the camera has no Bayer array. It had to be developed from raw.

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Aug 3, 2022 10:41:54   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
If that’s the best you could do with that camera either it was defective or just didn’t know how to use it. I personally wouldn’t have found it acceptable. I’ve seen plenty of shots from a D5200 with a kit lens that are just fine. Just in case you aren’t sure, here’s a photo I took of a flamingo so you’ll know what they look like in focus. And just in case you want to start going on about being degraded through compression, I didn’t feel like going up to my computer for the original so this is a 496 kb version I pulled from Facebook on my phone.
If that’s the best you could do with that camera e... (show quote)

Terrible. Way oversaturated, perfect example of how RAW mode is the last thing that makes for a good photo.
Yes your camera and lens seems capable of sharp focus. How many seconds of experience did it take you to learn to focus your camera?
BTW, when you decided to edit my daughters cell phone snapshot of my GD (see below), and somehow managed to get red smeared all over her head, I thought you just did that in a LAME attempt to show how bad jpg's are compared to RAW, i.e. a fake edit.

Now I look at your horribly over saturated red head on your flamingo, I suspect rather than shooting raw, you should have your eyes checked for color blindness.

Let me attach your LAME example of editing of my daughter's cell phone snapshot.
Yeah, that's a good example of a RAW zealot gone nuts.



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Aug 3, 2022 15:35:22   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Terrible. Way oversaturated, perfect example of how RAW mode is the last thing that makes for a good photo.
Yes your camera and lens seems capable of sharp focus. How many seconds of experience did it take you to learn to focus your camera?
BTW, when you decided to edit my daughters cell phone snapshot of my GD (see below), and somehow managed to get red smeared all over her head, I thought you just did that in a LAME attempt to show how bad jpg's are compared to RAW, i.e. a fake edit.

Now I look at your horribly over saturated red head on your flamingo, I suspect rather than shooting raw, you should have your eyes checked for color blindness.

Let me attach your LAME example of editing of my daughter's cell phone snapshot.
Yeah, that's a good example of a RAW zealot gone nuts.
Terrible. Way oversaturated, perfect example of ho... (show quote)


Seeing that since you weren’t there you have no clue what that flamingo looked like you really don’t know if it’s over saturated. As for your pic, all I did was move she shadow slider so you can actually see her face. I did not make any changes to color. That red is most likely related to a lack of dynamic range in the image.

And it’s funny that you mention focus and how long did it take to learn. You’re right. I picked that up pretty quick. Do you want lessons?

And maybe you should get checked for color blindness since you’re the one that thinks orange is red.

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