Rookie Question Regarding Post Processing (Page 19): I am glad your preference is RAW. I like the way my jpegs look. A little tweak here and there and I am happy. To each his own. I...

LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773

David Martin wrote:

A jpeg is simply the result of allowing your camer... (show quote)

I am glad your preference is RAW. I like the way my jpegs look. A little tweak here and there and I am happy. To each his own. I bought the R7, knowing the buffer is small and the sensor isn't stacked. I intend to shoot JPEG and will use the mechanical shutter (15fps is plenty). We each have our niche and we pick our equipment and our format to our liking. Individuality is what makes the world go round.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

BigDaddy wrote:

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you.

Nobody was confused, just amused.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Every successful photographer is driven by an inner voice telling them everyone else is shooting in RAW.

LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773

SuperflyTNT wrote:

If you think I echoed what you said then either you didn’t read it clearly or you’re being disingenuous. I also don’t see what’s limited and dismissive about my comments. You’re the one that thinks everyone shoots raw because they lack experience and expertise.

You are exactly right! I believe all professionals should forget using RAW, because they lack the expertise and experience to use it?!

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

Longshadow wrote:

I don't see any red above.

BigDaddy wrote:

For future reference, I think the word your looking for is "read"
"Red" is a color, fully editable in the jpg editor of choice....

Longshadow wrote:

We're done...

You said that before.
I will apologize however, because I mistakenly thought it was you that corrected my spelling of "sky's" to "skies" so I took this opportunity to do the same for you. Sorry 'bout that.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

BigDaddy wrote:

You said that before.
I will apologize however, because I mistakenly thought it was you that corrected my spelling of "sky's" to "skies" so I took this opportunity to do the same for you. Sorry 'bout that.

rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines

BigDaddy wrote:

Very true, I stated clearly that I used Affinity Photo, ACDSee, CS2 (also PSE, PS7, SilkyPics and a slew of other editors that didn't do raw at all). For me the "right editor" is Affinity Photo, it does it all and then some (that *I* need.) I know PS CC is probably the top of the line, but I've learned AP does more than I need, and jpgs, generally is all the range I need.

VERY INTERESTING!!!

If you have "learned that AP does more than I need, and jpgs, generally is all the range I need", then you obviously (and probably did not realize it) are admitting that one CAN do more with RAW!!!!!

CASE CLOSED!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines

Sorry - duplicate.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

rlv567 wrote:

... you obviously (and probably did not realize it) are admitting that one CAN do more with RAW!!!!! ...

He is also tacitly admitting that he discards a lot of JPEGs because he can't figure out how to fix them.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

SuperflyTNT wrote:

I just looked at your work and now I understand. While many of them have questionable processing choices working in raw would be wasted on those snapshots.

Thanks! I looked at your work and nothing about it says RAW is the way to go.

My pictures btw ARE just snapshots, I'm not an artist nor a professional photographer. Whatever pics of mine you looked at are most likely VERY small files, compressed and reduced in size to 1920x1080, many of them under a 100KB. Most were taken with a cheap cameras, and a LOT taken with cell phone, many of them by my daughter, who has close to zero interest in photography. None of my pictures posted needed RAW, even though some probably were shot in raw.

You can insult my pictures till the cows come home, means absolutely nothing other than to show what a jerk you are.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

BigDaddy
The "X+Y" issue is with TOOLS available. There are not more tools available in RAW development in any editor I've used. In Affinity, jpg's have like 120 tools available, such as ...
[quote=selmslie wrote:

It's not an either/or situation.

All of the tools you mention for editing a JPEG/TIFF are for editing the raster image that has already been converted from raw.

Yes, jpg images all started out as raw and were converted into the jpg image.

selmslie wrote:

In Capture One and Lightroom, all of the raster editing tools are available along with the raw conversion. You don't have to leave the editor and use a separate program.

The same is true of Photoshop and many other editors in which the raw conversion stage simply precedes the raster editing stage.

I listed the editing programs I've used over the years. I no longer use PS and never used ON1. I'll take your word for how they work.

BigDaddy wrote:

Moreover, the tools available to a jpg image include the ability to load the jpg into the raw editor and use the same tools available to the raw image.

selmslie wrote:

You cannot load a JPEG, TIFF or any other image coming out of the raw conversion process into a raw editor. The format is not compatible.

Funny, I load my jpgs into the AP developer persona with no problem, and the exact same tools are available to me. Don't know how they work, but I know they look the same, walk the same and talk the same, thats good enough for me.

selmslie wrote:

You may never understand how all of this works.

Whatever you say. I never worked as a programmer for any camera lab developing raw programs, nor did I ever work on programing the jpg compression application, or any photo editor application. I doubt many on the Hog have either, probably no one.

I understand enough and have enough experience to know those sporting the RAW T-shirts are pretty lame.

therwol Loc: USA

BigDaddy wrote:

You said that before.
I will apologize however, because I mistakenly thought it was you that corrected my spelling of "sky's" to "skies" so I took this opportunity to do the same for you. Sorry 'bout that.

You guys are making me loose my mind.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

selmslie wrote:

He is also tacitly admitting that he discards a lot of JPEGs because he can't figure out how to fix them.

Sorry, I think you're making that up, i.e, lying.

A LARGE number of my photo's, like most people, are not worth fixing, or can't be fixed by me or anyone. Sometimes they're out of focus, blurred, poor subject and sometimes I just pic the best out of a number of duplicates and delete the rest. I can't think of any pictures I took that I wish I had shot RAW. The LAST thing that makes for a good photo is shooting in RAW format. If you are incapable of shooting pictures to your liking in jpg format, then by all means have at with RAW, and good luck to you.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

LEWHITE7747 wrote:

I am glad your preference is RAW. I like the way my jpegs look. A little tweak here and there and I am happy. To each his own. I bought the R7, knowing the buffer is small and the sensor isn't stacked. I intend to shoot JPEG and will use the mechanical shutter (15fps is plenty). We each have our niche and we pick our equipment and our format to our liking. Individuality is what makes the world go round.

I took the opportunity to look at a few of your photo's. I LOT of those wearing the RAW T-shirts should take off the silly shirts and learn how to shoot using whatever methods you are using. Your stuff is a good example of why RAW is the last thing that makes for a good photo.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

BigDaddy wrote:

I listed the editing programs I've used over the years. I no longer use PS and never used ON1. I'll take your word for how they work.

I used Lightroom until Adobe ticked me off by requiring that I upgrade to support a newer camera and operating system. Switched to Capture One in 2015. I also use Picture Window Pro (old fashioned but free) for scanned B&W film.

I have tried ON1, Affinity and others but they are not as good as Capture One.

BigDaddy wrote:

Funny, I load my jpgs into the AP developer persona with no problem, and the exact same tools are available to me. Don't know how they work, but I know they look the same, walk the same and talk the same, thats good enough for me.

That's because it's just using the raster editing version of the controls without bothering to confront you by telling you made a mistake and don't know the difference.

BigDaddy wrote:

Whatever you say. I never worked as a programmer for any camera lab developing raw programs, nor did I ever work on programing the jpg compression application, or any photo editor application. I doubt many on the Hog have either, probably no one.

I understand enough and have enough experience to know those sporting the RAW T-shirts are pretty lame.

Neither did I. All of my work was with financial modeling, engineering and scientific applications. And I don't wear T-shirts.

I don't wear a dunce cap either but if I did I would not have exposed myself to ridicule by chiming in on this thread.