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Jul 27, 2022 10:04:47   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A T-shirt waiting to be made. I bet Jared Polin would like that.


How about "I shoot PNG" ?

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Jul 27, 2022 10:10:23   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Please clarify?
My experience is you can do X things in RAW editors and X+Y things in a jpg editor. This is using PS CS and Affinity Photo, so when listing all the +Y things, might as well list what editors you are using.

Some editors lie ACR+PS, Affinity and Picture Window Pro (free) separate the raw conversion stage from the raster editing stage. That means you can't go back once you leave the raw editor and start working on the image

But ACR+Lightroom and Capture One don't separate the stages. You can always go back and change what you did during the raw conversion (like shadow recovery) even after you have cropped, leveled, cloned, converted to B&W, etc. Since it is so seamless, there is no downside to working with the raw file.

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Jul 27, 2022 10:44:20   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
rlv567 wrote:
You referring to Big Hair Polin???

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City



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Jul 27, 2022 10:54:05   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
That’s such a limited and dismissive view. Experience and expertise are important no matter whether you shoot raw or not. Most people I know that shoot raw isn’t so they can “rescue” bad images. We plan our exposures based on giving us the best raw file to work with. And yes that’s exactly what a JPEG is, the camera’s version based on algorithms created by engineers and camera settings. Back when shooting film some people would shoot a roll of film and send it in to be processed by the standard commercial method. Others would shoot film planning on processing it themselves, adjusting time, temperature, even chemical solutions based on what they were looking to achieve. This is essentially what most raw shooters are doing.
That’s such a limited and dismissive view. Experie... (show quote)


Thanks for echoing the things I just said. I told myself I will no longer make fun of stupid people on this site. Your limited and dismissive view is correct.?

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Jul 27, 2022 11:07:58   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
You asked me to clarify what I said, I did. If you don't like it, tough cookies.

Nowhere did I say any of those things couldn't be done STARTING with raw. Your STRAWMAN argument is both obvious and boring.

What I said is all those things cannot be done in any raw editor I've used, ergo, more options to the user in jpg.
The 12 things listed by CANON can all also be done starting with a jpg and done quite well unless you really messed up the image. Besides all that, jpg editors can put your daughters lips on her cat, replace sky's, and a million other things raw editors pass on to the jpg editor to perform. If you think I'm wrong, please clarify in some detail like I did. Oh, and don't make something up like I said it and then argue with it. That's really poor form and a strong indicator you have nothing worthwhile to say.

The world is packed with spectacular images shot and edited in jpg format. RAW is the last thing that makes for a good photo.
You asked me to clarify what I said, I did. If you... (show quote)


It’s no strawman argument. I don’t have to convert to JPEG to do any of those things. It’s not a JPEG until I do the final export. I also cook. I could go buy a mix and make a perfectly adequate cake. I could even make modifications to that mix to improve that cake. I choose to bake a cake from scratch because then I’m in complete control of the finished product. When I shoot raw I get to make all the choices so I’m in control of the finished product.

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Jul 27, 2022 11:13:34   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
rlv567 wrote:
The word is "skies", not sky's!!! (Just to give you something else to complain about.)

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


I hope you are ok after earthquake in the Philippines this morning

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Jul 27, 2022 11:18:47   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
It’s no strawman argument. I don’t have to convert to JPEG to do any of those things. It’s not a JPEG until I do the final export. I also cook. I could go buy a mix and make a perfectly adequate cake. I could even make modifications to that mix to improve that cake. I choose to bake a cake from scratch because then I’m in complete control of the finished product. When I shoot raw I get to make all the choices so I’m in control of the finished product.



Unless "good enough" is good enough for you, and then you just allow the cake mix manufacturer to decide for you! - (and applicable to photos!!!, as well).

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jul 27, 2022 11:24:05   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
LEWHITE7747 wrote:
Thanks for echoing the things I just said. I told myself I will no longer make fun of stupid people on this site. Your limited and dismissive view is correct.?


If you think I echoed what you said then either you didn’t read it clearly or you’re being disingenuous. I also don’t see what’s limited and dismissive about my comments. You’re the one that thinks everyone shoots raw because they lack experience and expertise.

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Jul 27, 2022 11:29:22   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
kcooke wrote:
I hope you are ok after earthquake in the Philippines this morning



Thanks for your concern!

I was sitting on the edge of the bed, looking at my phone. The bed started vibrating moderately, then increasing in intensity, lasting for probably 30 seconds or so. I would judge it to be about a 5.0, were it to have been here. However, it was 7.0, with the epicenter some 30 Km east of Vigan, at a depth of 10 Km. (Vigan is somewhat north of Baguio, up toward the tip of Luzon.)

Having been raised in Southern California earthquake country, and lived there for years, I have experienced them in the past many times. Several I have been in have been substantially more severe, with damage to my homes, but not life threatening. I always have enjoyed earthquakes, so I had to smile at something – my wife went to the Post Office to mail my “dead or alive” letter to Social Security shortly after the quake – and they were closed, as was everything else, including the mall, with everybody standing out in the street (in pictures, really a jam-packed crowd!). What they don’t think about – if another quake is sufficiently strong to collapse the buildings in which they had been, standing in the street immediately below the buildings would mean certain death! Also, inasmuch as they had been inside during the quake, they already had experienced what at a probable likelihood of 99% was by far the worst, as aftershocks almost always are substantially weaker.

Loren – in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jul 27, 2022 11:39:38   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
Glad all is well for you

rlv567 wrote:
Thanks for your concern!

I was sitting on the edge of the bed, looking at my phone. The bed started vibrating moderately, then increasing in intensity, lasting for probably 30 seconds or so. I would judge it to be about a 5.0, were it to have been here. However, it was 7.0, with the epicenter some 30 Km east of Vigan, at a depth of 10 Km. (Vigan is somewhat north of Baguio, up toward the tip of Luzon.)

Having been raised in Southern California earthquake country, and lived there for years, I have experienced them in the past many times. Several I have been in have been substantially more severe, with damage to my homes, but not life threatening. I always have enjoyed earthquakes, so I had to smile at something – my wife went to the Post Office to mail my “dead or alive” letter to Social Security shortly after the quake – and they were closed, as was everything else, including the mall, with everybody standing out in the street (in pictures, really a jam-packed crowd!). What they don’t think about – if another quake is sufficiently strong to collapse the buildings in which they had been, standing in the street immediately below the buildings would mean certain death! Also, inasmuch as they had been inside during the quake, they already had experienced what at a probable likelihood of 99% was by far the worst, as aftershocks almost always are substantially weaker.

Loren – in Beautiful Baguio City
Thanks for your concern! br br I was sitting on t... (show quote)

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Jul 27, 2022 13:59:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rlv567 wrote:
You referring to Big Hair Polin???

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


Yes, and as his hair gets thinner, he has to work harder to maintain that. Jared walked right by me at a NYC photo show a few years ago. I guess he didn't recognize me.

When the artist Bob Ross went for an interview, he had that big head of red hair, and the producers insisted that he keep it. Poor guy. That was in fashion for a short time, but he was stuck with it for the rest of his TV life. There is even a small Chiapet Bob Ross.

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Jul 27, 2022 14:01:04   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Please clarify?
My experience is you can do X things in RAW editors and X+Y things in a jpg editor. This is using PS CS and Affinity Photo, so when listing all the +Y things, might as well list what editors you are using.


JPEG is a subset of raw. All cameras create raw data and the JPEG is derived from that. Anything you can do with a JPEG you can do starting with a raw file. From the raw file you can create an RGB image and use a raster editor just as you do with a JPEG -- you can create a JPEG from a raw file and obviously do anything you can do with a JPEG.

The reverse is not true and you can do things with a raw file that you can not do with a JPEG.

You made this false statement all the way back on page one of this thread, "You can do the same things to a jpg as you can to a raw..."
And this further false statement, "Also note that a jpg image can be loaded into a raw editor and has all the same tools available as with a raw file." And I corrected you then: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-746438-2.html#13308798

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Jul 27, 2022 14:02:49   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Post Processing -

Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but it is good information. : )

https://www.wikihow.com/Cement-a-Post-in-the-Ground

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Jul 27, 2022 15:22:32   #
Abo
 
Ysarex wrote:
Why no! the lens corrections are not applied! How is that possible if as you said the lens corrections were already applied to the raw data by the camera!?? Why you must be wrong!

The image below was taken with the 18mm end of the Fuji 18-55mm zoom -- it needs serious correction. I processed a version with MetaRaw (lens corrections not applied) and a version with Capture 1 that does apply the lens corrections. I dropped the C1 version on the MetaRaw version and then made the C1 version 50% transparent. The misalignment you see is due to: lens corrections applied by one raw converter and not applied by the other.

You've been wrong all along. The camera does not apply lens corrections to the actual raw data. It only stores lens correction info in the raw file with the raw data. A raw processing program can use the lens correction info or not use it.
Why no! the lens corrections are not applied! How ... (show quote)


LOL

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Jul 27, 2022 15:23:05   #
Abo
 
Ysarex wrote:
That was fun proving you wrong -- we should do it again.

Why no! the lens corrections are not applied! How is that possible if as you said the lens corrections were already applied to the raw data by the camera!?? Why you must be wrong!

The image below was taken with the 18mm end of the Fuji 18-55mm zoom -- it needs serious correction. I processed a version with DarkTable (lens corrections not applied) and a version with Capture 1 that does apply the lens corrections. I dropped the C1 version on the DarkTable version and then made the C1 version 50% transparent. The misalignment you see is due to: lens corrections applied by one raw converter and not applied by the other.

You've been wrong all along. LOL The camera does not apply lens corrections to the actual raw data. It only stores lens correction info in the raw file with the raw data. A raw processing program can use the lens correction info or not use it, and like DarkTable it can use a different source for the lens corrections.

P.S. You said you use C1. C1 will allow you to turn lens corrections off. If you can turn corrections off in the raw converter then they must not have been pre-applied to the raw data. You can check it yourself. Not a bad idea to learn how to use your software.
That was fun proving you wrong -- we should do it ... (show quote)


You seem to care a hell of a lot about what I say...
and your appalling syntax and illogical rants do nothing
but reveal your insecurity.

You need a good psychotherapist.

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