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Jul 16, 2022 11:13:10   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
PHRubin wrote:
I am on the waiting list for a Canon R7. The kind folks a Canon were kind enough to send me a link to download the user's manual to review while I wait.

In reading it I find I need an adapter for my flash as well as for my old lenses. When I tried to download and install DPP 4 with the codec for the R7 RAW files, I find I need a newer computer. Mine is still running Windows 7 and 10 is the minimum requirement. Yes, Windows 10 can be installed on it, but it slows the thing way down. Also, I'm still using a 19" flat-screen VGA monitor.

When I got this computer years ago, I was angry that my copy of MS Office as well as Quicken and my scanner were too old for it. I can only guess what I'm using on my PC now that won't be compatible with a new computer.

Yes, you may say I live on the trailing edge of technology.
I am on the waiting list for a Canon R7. The kind ... (show quote)

Many, if not most, third party raw processors will also not install on Windows 7.

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Jul 16, 2022 11:46:15   #
BebuLamar
 
wireloose wrote:
Is it very old? I just replaced my graphics card yesterday, Office needed réactivation, online declined that, if you do it over the phone took 5 minutes and I am back in business. Had the same with Windows last time I upgraded my motherboard and processor.


It's office 2010 and the phone also doesn't work any more.

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Jul 16, 2022 11:53:08   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
PHRubin wrote:
I am on the waiting list for a Canon R7. The kind folks a Canon were kind enough to send me a link to download the user's manual to review while I wait.

In reading it I find I need an adapter for my flash as well as for my old lenses. When I tried to download and install DPP 4 with the codec for the R7 RAW files, I find I need a newer computer. Mine is still running Windows 7 and 10 is the minimum requirement. Yes, Windows 10 can be installed on it, but it slows the thing way down. Also, I'm still using a 19" flat-screen VGA monitor.

When I got this computer years ago, I was angry that my copy of MS Office as well as Quicken and my scanner were too old for it. I can only guess what I'm using on my PC now that won't be compatible with a new computer.

Yes, you may say I live on the trailing edge of technology.
I am on the waiting list for a Canon R7. The kind ... (show quote)

My experience with upgrading my PC from Windows 7 to Windows 10 was that it actually sped things up slightly, with a lot less system freezes.

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Jul 16, 2022 12:06:18   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

--Bob
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Man, I thought you were about to tell us you were getting married after a one-night stand!!!

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Jul 16, 2022 12:32:32   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
SteveZas wrote:
I’ve been doing photography for about 12 years now. I tend to enjoy the creating aspect of the final image and have always tried to upgrade my processing skill-set. I mostly do landscapes and always use a tripod and AEB for HDR averaging about five images per bracket. As a result, the processing power can never be too much. Especially now as there is an ever increasing development of the Ai programs which are power hungry. If you are as addicted as I am I would suggest having your computer hand built. I’ve done three so far at MicroCenter ( which is around my area ). There are several good sources for how to pick out the best hardware. Search the net for computer builds. There are many tutorials on picking hardware and how to design for what your needs are. There are many of these posted. I often can have a single high resolution fully processed image that can exceed 1.65 gigabytes at full resolution. It is very difficult to find an off the shelf computer to handle that.
Custom builds can be built often much cheaper than the ready built that have all the bells and whistles.
It will describe step by step for the do it your selfers. Or, assembly labor for a custom build can cost between 100-150 depending on how large of a pc is to be built. That comes with a full service warranty ( that can be lengthened ) for one year. Trust me, go to the head of the class. You’ll be glad you did. If you just like to take snapshots, the aforementioned is not necessary.
I’ve been doing photography for about 12 years now... (show quote)



All OK - but be sure to design for potential future needs (insofar as anyone is able to anticipate).

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jul 16, 2022 12:38:13   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
TriX wrote:
Why do you feel Win 10 will slow it down. I’ve updated multiple win 7 machines to 10, and in every case it was as fast or faster.



Always faster with the newer, better OS!!! Windows 10 is a lot faster.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jul 16, 2022 12:40:19   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I posted this on another thread and the ideas seem to be needed here too. When considering a new camera, I do the following:

I look at the cost of the new camera.

I look at the impact to all my technology, do I need new software, or a new computer, or more storage?

I look at the impact to my lenses, do I need new / more / different models?

I look at my current camera, have I exhausted the economic value of the current model? Was my current body built for 10+ years of heavy, regular (aka professional) use? It is really ready for replacement?

I look at the pixel resolution, does the next model give more resolution or is it actually a step down, or no change at all?
I posted this on another thread and the ideas seem... (show quote)



Absolutely! Always translate that to whatever you may want/need to upgrade.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jul 16, 2022 12:50:48   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
Fredrick wrote:
My experience with upgrading my PC from Windows 7 to Windows 10 was that it actually sped things up slightly, with a lot less system freezes.



Windows 10 is a superior OS. It takes about 25 seconds to boot up - I don't know how that compares with anybody else, but for me certainly is much faster than with any previous OS!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Jul 16, 2022 13:01:55   #
DaveJ Loc: NE Missouri
 
PHRubin wrote:
I am on the waiting list for a Canon R7. The kind folks a Canon were kind enough to send me a link to download the user's manual to review while I wait.

In reading it I find I need an adapter for my flash as well as for my old lenses.

I also read the manual before I got the R7. I thought an adapter would be needed also. I went to a R7-R10 preview by Canon/USA at Schiller's in STL.I asked the Canon rep about that. He looked surprised, took the shoe off the flash and said, it has the 5 prongs so you should not need one.
I just tried my Yongnuo YN600EX-RT II on my R7 and it worked fine. It is a knockoff of the Canon 600EX-RT II.
Try your flash before you buy an adaptor.
Disclaimer......I do not do a lot of flash photography.

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Jul 16, 2022 13:28:50   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
PHRubin wrote:
Because I did it and it slowed way down. Then I undid it; went back to Win 7 and the speed was back. That happened twice, so I'm convinced.

It probably depends on the hardware, size of memory, architecture and such. Then again, this PC has no video card, just a chip.


Another reason why you should up-date your computer is that as far as I know, Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft. If you are not on the internet with the computer it probably does not matter but if you are, your security risks are even higher. You are not receiving any patches for vulnerabilities.

I agree, moving to a new computer is no fun. Sometimes it seems that tech companies have taken "planned obsolescence" to new heights and sometimes it is the "nature of the beast." I too have old copies of Word and other Microsoft programs that I am afraid will not work on my next computer. More importantly for me, I worry about the day that my picture files will not be backward compatible for viewing. There is no law saying that one day jpeg and raw files will not be readable on future computers. How great film will seem then. If you have old floppy disk files, can you find a disk reader to read them now?

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Jul 16, 2022 13:41:10   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
lreisner wrote:
Another reason why you should up-date your computer is that as far as I know, Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft. If you are not on the internet with the computer it probably does not matter but if you are, your security risks are even higher. You are not receiving any patches for vulnerabilities.
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Wondering......
If 95% of the computers are Win10+, do you really think they will go after old 7 boxes?
They have better odds going after the most prevalent OS systems.
I'll bet they are not even trying to hack XP boxes anymore.
They'll go with the odds of hitting.

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Jul 16, 2022 13:53:19   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
PHRubin wrote:
I am on the waiting list for a Canon R7. The kind folks a Canon were kind enough to send me a link to download the user's manual to review while I wait.

In reading it I find I need an adapter for my flash as well as for my old lenses. When I tried to download and install DPP 4 with the codec for the R7 RAW files, I find I need a newer computer. Mine is still running Windows 7 and 10 is the minimum requirement. Yes, Windows 10 can be installed on it, but it slows the thing way down. Also, I'm still using a 19" flat-screen VGA monitor.

When I got this computer years ago, I was angry that my copy of MS Office as well as Quicken and my scanner were too old for it. I can only guess what I'm using on my PC now that won't be compatible with a new computer.

Yes, you may say I live on the trailing edge of technology.
I am on the waiting list for a Canon R7. The kind ... (show quote)


I had similar experience with an update many years ago...

If I recall correctly, it was when I replaced my EOS 30D cameras with a pair of EOS 50D....

- The version of Photoshop I was using didn't support the new camera.... $250 update required.
- My version of Lightroom didn't support the new camera either... $100 update reequired
- The operating system I was using didn't support the new versions of Photoshop and Lightroom... $100 update required.
- The computer I was using didn't support the updated operating system... $1500 update required.

So what started as a couple cameras purchased for about $1200 each soon cost pretty close to double!

Then Canon introduced the EOS 7D and I ended up getting those after less than a year using the 50Ds! Thankfully everything else was up to date enough to handle the newer models.

I hate to think what an update would cost me now!

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Jul 16, 2022 13:57:03   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
lreisner wrote:
Another reason why you should up-date your computer is that as far as I know, Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft. If you are not on the internet with the computer it probably does not matter but if you are, your security risks are even higher. You are not receiving any patches for vulnerabilities.

I agree, moving to a new computer is no fun. Sometimes it seems that tech companies have taken "planned obsolescence" to new heights and sometimes it is the "nature of the beast." I too have old copies of Word and other Microsoft programs that I am afraid will not work on my next computer. More importantly for me, I worry about the day that my picture files will not be backward compatible for viewing. There is no law saying that one day jpeg and raw files will not be readable on future computers. How great film will seem then. If you have old floppy disk files, can you find a disk reader to read them now?
Another reason why you should up-date your compute... (show quote)


I just built a new Windows 11 machine and didn’t find any old Aps that wouldn’t run, and that includes Office 2010 (Outlook, Word, Excel, PPT…). The only thing I cannot get to work yet is my older Canon Pro 9000 MK2. The network, USB ports, video/displays, scanners, printer and audio worked right out of the box - all the drivers installed automatically. Boot is about 3 seconds, and everything else is essentially instantaneous (Intel I7 12700K, Asus MB, 64GB Corsair DDR4 and Samsung 980 Pro and 970 m.2 SSDs, EVGA 3060 graphics). Had a case and PS and reused the peripherals and graphics card, so the cost was <$1,000.

BTW the 980 pro benchmarks at 6.6GB/sec reads and 4.8GB/sec writes and the 970 at 3.3 reads and 2.8 writes.

I repurposed my 12 year old I5 3570K and all my SATA SSDs as a backup server. I expect that the new machine will be the last one I need if it lasts as well as the last build. Reinstalling all the aps is the worst part, but not so bad if you only need to do it every 10-12 years.

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Jul 16, 2022 14:01:39   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:
Wondering......
If 95% of the computers are Win10+, do you really think they will go after old 7 boxes?
They have better odds going after the most prevalent OS systems.
I'll bet they are not even trying to hack XP boxes anymore.
They'll go with the odds of hitting.


Sometimes the best protection if making yourself a worthless target.

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Jul 16, 2022 14:02:07   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
Longshadow wrote:
Wondering......
If 95% of the computers are Win10+, do you really think they will go after old 7 boxes?
They have better odds going after the most prevalent OS systems.
I'll bet they are not even trying to hack XP boxes anymore.
They'll go with the odds of hitting.


You are probably right. On the other hand, hacking is like a fishing business, in many cases. The hacker cast a wide net, and sees what they can pull in. The more vulnerabilities, the better chances of making a catch. Part of what made Apple a safer platform was it's small size in the quantity of users but that does not make them immune from hacking. The bottom line, it is a point considering. At the very least, make sure everything is backed up.

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